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I was reading in Artscroll's The Laws of Brachos that if someone eats an amount of mezonos equal to the amount of bread he would have eaten during a meal then he needs to wash and bentch. For some reason it seems to not be the case, but should I be washing/bentching for oatmeal (or even any bowl of morning cereal made from the 5 grains)? If not what's the reason?

  • Hmmm ... good question. You're making me wonder. For that matter, perhaps if you plan on eating a whole box of Tam Tams, you may have to wash too. – DanF Feb 13 '15 at 14:44
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    Note that oatmeal might not be mezonos – Double AA Feb 13 '15 at 14:51
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    Boiled mezonos is different from baked mezonos. I suspect you missed something in the book there – Double AA Feb 13 '15 at 14:52
  • @DoubleAA, Correct, the chapter was referring to Pas haba beKisnin I mistakened it for all mezonos. – Ani Yodea Feb 13 '15 at 15:06
  • @DoubleAA: judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/53871/… – Ani Yodea Feb 13 '15 at 15:33
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No.

There are three categories of grain-based products:

  • "Bread." Always hamotzee.
  • "Snacky, quasi-breadlike substances." (Pas haba beKisnin.) Mezonos, but if you eat them like a meal, then hamotzee. This was the category about which you read.
  • "Definitely not bread." Always mezonos, even if you ate ten pounds of the stuff for dinner. (Though you'd have bigger problems at that point than the laws of brachos.)

Cooked-in-liquid things like noodles and oatmeal are in this last category.

Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 48:8 reads:

Dough -- even a basic, breadlike flour-and-water dough -- if it was cooked, the blessing beforehand is mezonos and afterwards al hamichya, even if one ate enough to be satiated. The same goes for mashes made off the five grains [wheat/barley/spelt/oats/rye] and then cooked -- the blessing is borei minei mezonos beforehand and al himchya afterwards, even if one ate enough to be satieted. The same goes for noodles eaten with broth or milk in which they were cooked.

  • Can you define what is meant by "Definitely not bread"? I would say marble cake is "definitely not bread" but it's under the category of Pas haba beKisnin. – Ani Yodea Feb 13 '15 at 15:07
  • @AniYodea that's a different question! Noodles and oatmeal -- definitely not bread. Cheerios -- most poskim hold definitely not bread, but Dayan Feurst holds they're in the middle category. Marble cake is a thin batter baked in an oven, which is one of the categories classically described as the second category. – Shalom Feb 13 '15 at 15:16
  • More here: judaism.stackexchange.com/a/3683/21 – Shalom Feb 13 '15 at 15:17

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