If someone wants to get better at saying one of the Kaddishes (Kaddish d'Rabbanan, Kaddish Yatom [Mourners], etc.), is it permissible to say the Kaddish out loud by oneself?

Kaddish is classified as a davar shebekdusha, a ritual that requires a minyan be present. Almost everyone agrees that Kaddish should not be said in a liturgical setting without a minyan. My question is whether an educational setting is different. Can one sit alone with a siddur to practice saying the words? May they be pronounced out loud, which would probably be the more effective educational technique? What is the general rule regarding practicing prayer while not actually praying?

  • Partially inspired by: Is there such a thing as a Kaddish L'vatola?.
    – Mike
    Jan 5, 2015 at 8:03
  • Not a dupe of that question? Jan 5, 2015 at 23:45
  • @YeZ I do not think it is a dupe. The second part of your question about a chazzan practicing never got answered. I thought it would be better to break that off into a separate question.
    – Mike
    Jan 6, 2015 at 0:17
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    That isn't a "second part" - that is just an example application of the question. And besides, a question being unanswered doesn't make a repeat any less of a duplicate. Jan 6, 2015 at 0:22
  • @YeZ Yeah, I see your point . . . but the most upvoted answer says it "shouldn't be taken lightly" so whether education outweighs that concern is not addressed and seems like a separate question.
    – Mike
    Jan 6, 2015 at 0:27

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As Double AA says

A davar shebekdusha (lit. thing done in holiness) is any ritual that requires a minyan to be done.

I understand this to mean that performing a davar shebekdusha without a minyan means that the activity has not been effective. Or as Ohr.edu 's Ask the Rabbi says

Kaddish is the public sanctification of G-d's Name. If kaddish is said in private, then by definition it is not kaddish.

So saying Kaddish out loud by oneself will not work as Kaddish. This is not a problem because you do not want it to work as Kaddish – rather as practice for the real thing.

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    Are you making a diyuk on DoubleAA's words?
    – Daniel
    Jan 5, 2015 at 21:35
  • @Daniel Not so much a diyuk, as rephrasing his words. And "Ohr.edu 's Ask the Rabbi" agrees to the rephrasing. Jan 5, 2015 at 21:40
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    @Daniel I wouldn't necessarily put it past Double AA to be diyuk-worthy.
    – Scimonster
    Jan 5, 2015 at 22:22

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