I go to a Gemara shiur, and the rabbi always says "the first aman deamar", "the second aman deamar"... What does it mean exactly? What is the meaning of the different words?
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4the "man de'amar" is "the one who says" and it is used to introduce a particular opinion (as in "this explanation works according to the one who says X but..." or "the first man de'amar holds that").– rosendsDec 16 '14 at 19:46
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The words you're actually hearing are "man de'amar", or מאן דאמר in Aramaic.
"Man" here actually has the same meaning in Aramaic as in English - man. "D'amar" is like the Hebrew שאמר. Translated, it means "who says".
The whole phrase together means "the [first/second] one who says".
It's often used as a noun when talking about different opinions - "this man d'amar says x, while the other man d'amar says y". Or: "according to the first man d'amar...".
While not the case you're talking about, aman d'amar (אמאן דאמר) is also an Aramaic phrase. The initial א means "on", so it means "on the one who says". Maybe i'm not listening to the right shiruim, but i haven't heard this used so much in English.
answered Dec 16 '14 at 19:53
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1"The whole phrase together means 'the [first/second] one who says'." I don't think there's usually a "first/second" implied. It's just "the one who says [such-and-such]".– msh210 ♦Dec 16 '14 at 19:56
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"first/second" is only because the OP talks about "first man d'amar". Dec 16 '14 at 19:57
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Oh, I see. But that's AFAIK only in its colloquial use as a noun, not in its original use meaning "the one who says".– msh210 ♦Dec 16 '14 at 19:58