The Gemara (Gittin 79b-80a) says that we need to write the date of the malchus (kindgom) of the place where a get (bill of divorce) was written, on the get, for שלום מלכות (so that we don't upset the rulers).

What is written on gittin in America, today?
There are no kings in America -- does this mean that we don't write an "American" date at all? Do we write the number of years that the current president has been in office? The number of years since the country was founded in 1776?
How is this rule observed today?

( I'm especially curious because the gemara says that "כל המשנה ממטבע שטבעו חכמים בגיטין הולד ממזר" if any piece of the get was changed from the wording that the rabbis introduced, that it is invalid and the child (from the next marriage) is a ממזר (is illegitimate), so this appears to be a pretty important rule...... )


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In the Bavli to that Mishna (Gittin 80a), 'Ula explains that the reason there was an enactment made to write the date according to the local government was "משום שלום מלכות" "to maintain peace with the government". Rashi explains that the governments would see we use their dating system and assume that we value their leadership. Accordingly, Rambam rules (Hilchot Geirushin 1:27 (English)):

וכן תיקנו שיהיו מונין בגיטין למלכות אותו הזמן, משום שלום מלכות. כתב למלכות שאינה מלכות אותה המדינה, או לבניין הבית, או לחורבן הבית--אם דרך אנשי אותו מקום למנות בו, הרי זה כשר; ואם אין דרכן למנות בו, הרי זה פסול. וכבר נהגו כל ישראל למנות בגיטין, או ליצירה או למלכות אלכסנדרוס מקרון שהוא מניין שטרות. ואם כתב לשם מלכות אותו זמן במדינה שיש בה רשות אותה מלכות, הרי זה כשר.‏
Similarly, [our Sages] ordained that the year of the ruling kingdom of that time should be mentioned in a get to gain the favor of the ruling authorities.

[The following rules apply if] a person writes a get and dated it according to the years of a kingdom other [than that of his locale] or according to the years beginning from the Temple's construction or destruction. If it is customary for people in that locale to date [their documents] in this manner, it is acceptable. If this is not the local custom, it is unacceptable.

It has already become the universal Jewish custom to date gittin from the time of creation, or from the crowning of Alexander the Great, which is [the accepted means of dating] for legal documents. If one dates [a get] according to the years of a contemporary kingdom, it is acceptable only in the country over which that kingdom rules.

It seems that now that governments don't care how we date the documents, it is acceptable to use a local customary system.

  • @Shokhet My friend who worked at the BDA confirms they use the Seder-Olam based year anno mundi. Again, there may be varying customs but they are all Kosher (that's the main takeaway I think).
    – Double AA
    Commented Nov 12, 2014 at 23:28

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