In the event that one forgot to say atta chonantanu in Maariv, they do not repeat Shemoneh Esrei (S.A. O.C. 294:1). The reason for this is because it is not necessary to repeat, as one can say Havdallah on wine.

If one comes to Shacharis, and has not yet said Havdallah, and they have not eaten anything or done any melacha yet, should they say atta chonantanu in Shacharis?

My reasoning why perhaps you should is because perhaps it is not necessary to repeat Shemoneh Esrei to say atta chonantanu, but if I am not repeating, but saying a Shemoneh Esrei which I am obligated to say in its proper time, and have not yet discharged my Havdallah with wine, perhaps it should be said.

On the other hand, perhaps Havdalla in Shemoneh Esrei is only a Maariv establishment, and is not given to be added into any other Shemoneh Esrei.

  • @user6591 I don't know why melacha would matter at all.
    – Double AA
    Oct 27, 2014 at 2:58
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    @Double If you aren't mavdil in Shmoneh esrei and you do melakha or eat before being mavdil al ha'kos, you are mekhuyav to repeat Shmoneh esrei.
    – user6591
    Oct 27, 2014 at 5:52
  • @user6591 That's not true. Melacha doesn't matter, as I said above.
    – Double AA
    Oct 27, 2014 at 17:07
  • @Double Rabi Akiva Eiger in his gloss on the Sh'a quotes a Rashba who says eating or melacha.
    – user6591
    Oct 27, 2014 at 17:57


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