A newcomer to Orthodox Judaism may not have a feel for what is mainstream and what generally considered beyond the pale of normative Judaism. How does one find and join a Jewish community without getting involved with Sabbateans, Karaites, cults, etc.?

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    "Mainstream" is pretty subjective, IMO. Is this really answerable based on facts and references?
    – Double AA
    Oct 2, 2014 at 20:01

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The vast majority of shuls self-identified as Orthodox are mainstream. So chances are, any Orthodox shul or community you approach will be mainstream.

Sabbateans are non-existent, as far as I know.

Karaites are very rare and will not pretend to be Orthodox.

Any Orthodox shul without a mechitza (I hear there are a few left) is outside of the mainstream, at least on that issue.

Messianic (that is, Christian) Jews will sometimes present themselves as practicing legitimate Judaism (though the website of the shul will nearly always reveal the fact that they are Messianic). But if you hear people talking about "Yeshua" being G-d or providing salvation or anything of that nature, you'll know you're dealing with Messianists.

Lubavitcher (Chabad) shuls that are openly meshichist (ie, believe their late Rebbe is Moshiach) are considered outside the mainstream by most Orthodox Jews. Official Chabad houses, listed on Chabad.org for example, are virtually never meshichist, and thus would be considered mainstream by the vast majority of Orthodox Jews (except those few that see contemporary Chabad as illegitimate in general.)

To determine whether a Chabad shul or community is openly meshichist, look at associated websites to see whether there are references to their Rebbe being Moshiach. In addition, attend community events, shul, etc. and see if anyone is wearing yarmulkes with the "yechi" slogan on them. Even if there are some people with such yarmulkes, that does not mean that the entire community is meshichist.

There are a small number of charedi cults. These can be identified in the same way a non-Jewish cult can be identified -- that is, by looking for particular cult characteristics researchers have identified, or by seeing if the group has been labelled a cult by ex-members or cult experts.

As a final method of determining whether a community is mainstream, look at the website of the shul, and specifically at the bio of the rabbi. If he got his rabbinic ordination from Yeshivat Chovovei Torah, the shul may be considered "open Orthodox," a philosophy which according to some Orthodox Jews is not truly Orthodox, because of the many ways in which the statements of associated rabbis resemble Conservative Judaism.

Conversely, if the ordination is from a well-known institution, such as Yeshiva University (Modern/Centrist Orthodoxy), Rabbinical College of America-Lubavitch (Chabad), or Beth Medrash Govoha (Yeshivish), this may be an indication that the community is mainstream. However, since as noted above non-mainstream communities are rare, semicha from a less well-known institution does not mean there is a significant chance of the community being out of the mainstream.

  • Great answer up until 'There are a small number of charedi cults. These can be identified in the same way a non-Jewish cult can be identified. For example, does the rabbi exert an unusually high level of control over individuals, etc.?' This leaves every yeshiva and chassidus as a cult.
    – user6591
    Oct 2, 2014 at 20:36
  • Yeah, tread easy there! Are Neturei Karta, Shuvu Bonim, Toldos Aharon, Lev Tahor, Skver, Heichal Hakodesh, Tosh, cults?
    – Adám
    Oct 2, 2014 at 21:13
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    @nbz are those groups "mainstream"?
    – Daniel
    Oct 2, 2014 at 21:40
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    Noach, I believe Lakewood would be considered mainstream within Yeshivish circles (even if they're on the right even among at least the US Yeshivish population). I don't think the questioner meant mainstream to mean Modern Orthodox, or smack dab in the middle of the road.
    – Kordovero
    Oct 3, 2014 at 2:31
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    Kordovero: Regarding "or by seeing if the group has been labelled a cult by ex-members" .....many many people who leave chassidus-es that you otherwise described as mainstream describe it as a cult [even when it's not]. Are you sure you want the very broad "ex-member" classification in there?
    – MTL
    Oct 3, 2014 at 2:58

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