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I've always imagined that Berit Ben Habetarim was done in Eretz Yisrael, but someone recently told me it happened in Haran.

Anybody have any sources for either?

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The question is a matter of Machlokes in Rishonim on the relevant Pesukim.

I believe the Ibn Ezra (Just checked, and it isn't him, but I saw it somewhere, I'll check around, B"N) takes the position that the Bris Bein HaBesarim is dated 430 years before the Jews left Mitzrayim. According to that, Avraham's first revelation was while in Charan. (If the 400 years of the Bris Bein HaBesarim is counted from Yitzchak's birth, then he only left Charan 25 years earlier, placing him there at 430 years before).

Other opinions put the Bris Bein HaBesarim around the events where it is described - after the war where his nephew Lot was captured, which would make it in Eretz Yisroel, and the 430 years counts from when he left Ur Kasdim five years before he left Charan, as that was the true beginning of the journey that culminated in the Exodus from Mitzrayim.

This in turn turns on where he was born. Ibn Ezra holds Charan (thus it is his birth place that he leaves in the beginning of Lech Lecha) - his family moved to Ur Kasdim and then back again. Thus leaving Ur Kasdim isn't a significant enough event to create the 430 year mark.

What Rashi holds in this is a long discussion - on the one hand he says Charan was not the birth place - rather the "birth place" is continue traveling from Charan like you traveled from your birth place - on the other hand, he says that the "decree" of the Bris Bein HaBesarim is where the 430 years start. If I ever have the time, I have a long convoluted question to ask about it - if I ever get to untangling it I will ask here.

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There is a spot on a mountain slope in the Western Golan region of Israel, right next to the border with Lebanon.

It is called Mount Betarim , and there are various sources to suggest that this is where the "Covenant Between the Parts" really happened.

The Kabbalists of Tzfat used to make a pilgrimmage to Mount Betarim, some time around Parshat Lech Lecha. They seem to accept as authentic a Muslim tradition that this is the correct spot.

Today, there is an organized group that ventures to Mount Betarim once a year, on the Friday before Parshat Lech Lecha. Unfortunately, because the site is right next to the border with Lebanon, individuals cannot make this hike alone. Only pre-arranged groups are allowed, and IDF soldiers accompany the group at all times.

There is a shelter of sorts which marks the spot , and the hikers go up there with a Torah scroll, and read the passage of the Covenant Between the Parts (without a bracha or aliyot l'torah). Source for this last point: my own eyes and ears. I did the hike several years ago.

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Although according to a simple reading of the Torah, the Covenant Between the Parts occurred after Avrohom came to settle in Eretz Yisrael after the age of seventy-five, the sefer Seder Olom here says that it took place in Eretz Yisrael when Avrohom was seventy, and he then returned to Haran for five years, returning to Eretz Yisrael with Sarah and Lot when he was seventy-five. This is also the opinion of Tosafos in Berachos 7b.

I have seen this discussed in several seforim (e.g. Binyan Ariel and צמח ה' לצבי), all of whom state that it happened in Eretz Yisrael.

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The Rosh In Yevamos 6:12 writes that the bris ben habsarim took place when Avraham Avinu was 70 and was in Eretz Yisrael. He then went back to charan and left again at the age of 75(parshas lech lecha).

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Simple peshat Berit Ben Habetarim was done in Eretz Yisrael AFTER the war of 4 kings vs 5 kings. Pereq 15 pasuk 1. אַחַר הַדְּבָרִים הָאֵלֶּה also see Rambans Commentary.

The question of the 430 years is simple . Yetziat mitzraim was in the year 2448 according to Seder Olam. 430 years earlier was year 2018 Abraham was 70 years old when his "Older" brother Haran (Sarah wasn't concived when her father was 8 years old) was killed in Ur chasdim. HKBH told Abraham lech lecha meartzecha (Ur chasdim) oh-melodetecha (continue traveling along the fertile cresent after you've reached the city of your birth, Haran) oh-mebeit Avicha (you may leave your father in Haran). Abraham left Haran at the age of 75, five years after he heard the commandment of Lech lecha in Ur chasdim. HKBH delayed Abraham's departure to hieghten his desire for the land (this last sentence is from a comentary 16 century tsfat I recently heard in a shiur. I'll reedit once ask the Rabbis name).

Ibn Ezra places Abraham in Ur chasdim when HKBH told Abraham Lech Lecha.

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    Welcome to Mi Yodeya! Please take a moment to look over our tour as this site is different from others you might be used to. Can you possibly edit your post to include sources that it for sure happened in Eretz Yisrael? You and I both know you’re just spelling out Rashi’s understanding of events, but an uninformed reader on the site might not know that. – DonielF Feb 11 at 11:48
  • Thank you for welcoming me, I've edited my post to give some sources. – Joseph Barnathan Feb 12 at 12:45

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