The chazzan is at the end of Avos (first bracha of Shmoneh Esrei) and he says, "...מגן אברם" (without the hei) instead of "...מגן אברהם," (with a hei). Would he be יוצא?

  • Unsourced: probably not
    – MTL
    Jul 17, 2014 at 18:25
  • Related: judaism.stackexchange.com/q/35681 as well as several of the questions linked there. This is a special case where B'rachos 13a is also relevant (mentioned in DanF's answer), but I think this question hinges primarily on whether a problem is created with shone mimatbei'a' or changing the nusach.
    – Fred
    Jul 17, 2014 at 19:56
  • Why is the question about the chazan only?
    – msh210
    Jul 18, 2014 at 7:19

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Brachot 13a:

תני בר קפרא כל הקורא לאברהם אברם עובר בעשה

Bar Kaparah says someone who calls Avraham Avram "passes over" a positive commandment

I infer, then, that this is problematic. Since the Gemarrah uses a "long" expression "Passes over a positive commandment" rather than stating "he sinned", it seems to mean that the person missed an opportunity to do a positive commandment, but it is not a sin, per se.

The best option, would probably be to speak to the Shat"z after davening and explain that he should correct the error next time.

  • Thanks a million! Sorry I don't have that type of money to give to you. Jul 17, 2014 at 18:46
  • @ChiddusheiTorah Who says that when you thank a million, it means money? How about a million mitzvot? Deal? :-) BTW, the answer, hopefully, made you "earn" your user ID.
    – DanF
    Jul 17, 2014 at 18:55
  • @ChiddusheiTorah If you found the answer helpful, you could "pay" him an upvote. or even a checkmark. Jul 17, 2014 at 19:00
  • @YEZ - Hey! Wouldn't that be profiting from Divrei Torah?
    – DanF
    Jul 17, 2014 at 19:01
  • @DanF related judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/9445/… Jul 17, 2014 at 19:03

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