I heard that when anyone else is listening to someone make kiddush or havdalah, l’chatchilah they must be either sitting or standing depending on what the person making kiddush or havdalah is doing. In addition, the Chazon Ish indicates that if a person did not do so he/ she is not yotzei even b’di’eved. Can you please tell me the source for this?

  • The source for what? For the Chazon Ish?
    – Double AA
    Commented Jul 15, 2014 at 2:55
  • sitting or standing for havdalah and kiddush. Commented Jul 15, 2014 at 3:00
  • The source for being in the same position as the mevareich?
    – Double AA
    Commented Jul 15, 2014 at 3:00
  • @user6633 No source, offhand, but I think that you would follow the custom of the host, just as derech eretz, unless he is doing something wrong, or he doesn't mind your doing otherwise. E.g. - in some homes I attend, the family washes BEFORE Kiddush, and I follow the host's custom. How would Kiddush / Havdalah follow different rules than this?
    – DanF
    Commented Jul 15, 2014 at 3:07
  • What is the halachic source for this? (i.e. kitzur shulchan aruch, mishna berurah etc.) Commented Jul 15, 2014 at 3:08

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SA OC 396:6

אומר הבדלה מיושב: הגה: ויש אומרים מעומד (אגודה וכל בו ואגור) וכן נוהגיןבמדינות אלו:

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מיושב - מיירי כשמוציא לאחרים ידי חובתן וע"כ כיון דאחד פוטר חבירו יש להם לכולם לעשות קביעות ובמעומד לא הוי קביעות והי"א ס"ל דכיון שהוא הלוית המלך אין מלוין אלא מעומד ולענין הקביעות סגי כשמזמנין הכל ועומדין ומכוונין כדי לצאת וס"ל דמתוך שקובעין עצמן כדי לצאת ידי ברכת הבדלה מהני נמי קביעות זו לצאת בברכת היין [ב"י]:י

  • I assume that these halachot apply only to Kiddush & Havdalah at home. Or, do they apply in shul, also? I thin in both cases everyone should stand b/c of kavod hatzibbur?
    – DanF
    Commented Jul 15, 2014 at 13:53
  • I wouldn't think the shul changes it. Though, it is an interesting point. Maybe the fact they are in shul makes them concentrate more? Personally, i stand according to my minhag, and i ask any guests to stand as well. Commented Jul 15, 2014 at 13:58
  • @pleasedeleteme It is OC:296:6 and not 396:6. I am unable to make an edit to correct the answer as edits need to be at least six characters long.
    – Nosson
    Commented Nov 29, 2020 at 1:42
  • Siman 296, not 396
    – efremdan1
    Commented Oct 6, 2022 at 21:29

The source from the Hamotze Bracha is in the Beit Yosef ,Orach Haim [קסז][י-יא].he also brings some source from the Gemara [ברכות מב ב-מג ג] .The idea is that you show that you are a group and you all are yotzei in one Bracha,by all sitting/standing together.But,from there it is easy to conclude that if the mevareich explicitly has chavana for you,you are yotzei,standing or sitting.

(I dont have enouth rep' to comeent this + I dont have any books here.can someone check and edit?)

also in Mishna Brura [רעא מו],we can see something aout this ,that the sitting(that his Psak) is for kviut and not only a part of the Kidush.

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