In the Minhag Rheinus, we have piyutim which are added by ma'ariv and shacharit on yom tov, as well as on certain Shabbatot. While I am aware of the position of some of them (Yotzer, Ofan, Zulat, kerovot) I am unaware of the actual position certain of the others, namely the ones by Ma'ariv and the Ahavah (the only fromm schul in my area being a Chabad). Is there a chart anywhere which lists the positions of the remaining piyutim?

  • By "position", do you mean to ask precisely where within the b'racha it's inserted? – msh210 Jul 14 '14 at 6:29
  • Which siddurim/machzorim have you checked? Which piyutim do you mean? Anything that can be checked in the Rudelheim or Goldschmidt? – הנער הזה Jul 14 '14 at 11:47
  • @msh210, yes, for example, should an ahavah go before or after baruch yotzer hameorot; if before between which pasukim – Noach MiFrankfurt Jul 14 '14 at 13:27
  • @Matt, I own only two of the 5 volumes of shalosh regalim machzorim, a Rödelheim for Shmini Atzeret/Simchat Torah, and a Sulzbach for Shavuot. Due to their advanced ages (over 140 years) and low-quality paper, I am always uncomfortable leafing through them. – Noach MiFrankfurt Jul 14 '14 at 13:30

In Ashkenaz today [the situation was different in different communities in the past]:

  • Me'ora - Before or chodosh.
  • Ahava - different minhogim, either before v'keiravtanu or before l'hodos lecho.
  • Maarivim
    • Short piyut before end of first berocho,
    • Same with second;
      • long piyut before בגילה ברינה בשמחה רבה ואמרו כלם,
      • short piyut before זה צור ישענו פצו פה ואמרו [insted of זה א-לי ענו ואמרו],
    • short piyut before end of that berocho,
    • and short or long piyut before the end of השכיבנו.
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    Welcome to Mi Yodeya! The question was asking for the existence of a chart. Also, in general, providing sources improves the value of answers here, since I'm sure you're great but none of us know you. – Y     e     z Aug 19 '14 at 22:17
  • They are called Ma'arovos. Also, who puts an Ahavoh before l'hodos lecho? – Joshua Pearl Sep 11 '14 at 17:50
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    @JoshuaPearl The Rodelheim that was printed about 15 years ago has piyutim in the back. The instructions clearly indicate that the ahavoh for the week before shavu'oth and 9 Av (the only ahavoh in the German nusach) is inserted at this point. I am a member of KAJ in Washington Heights, and that is what we do as well. – Joseph K. Strauss Dec 26 '14 at 15:26
  • @JosephK.Strauss, do you have a link to where I could get this Rödelheim. PS. Do you know places to stay near Breuer's if one is in town for a schabbos? – Noach MiFrankfurt Mar 18 '15 at 18:32
  • @JosephK.Strauss You are correct. I have recently seen this verion of the Avodas Yisroel. – Joshua Pearl May 26 '15 at 10:46

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