Whom does Hashem love more: Gentiles who love Jewish people and Israel or Jews who are against Jewish people and Israel?

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    Raamses, Would you please consider clarifying your question a bit? Also, please replace "heathen" with a more neutral word, like "gentile."
    – Isaac Moses
    Nov 23 '10 at 16:21
  • Raamses, could you retag the question. It's a bit misleading.
    – jutky
    Nov 23 '10 at 23:01
  • okay let me rephrase Isaac; Whom Hashem may support a Jew like Richard Goldstone or a Gentile like Oskar Schindler?? I thought Heathen mean not a Jew person Jutky; Iam afraid I can't do this as Iam not allowed to tag as a new pie here, this is the closest tag I found.
    – Raamses
    Dec 2 '10 at 10:30
  • Raamses, please edit your question to include your clarification and to exclude the word "heathen." It has negative connotations: dictionary.reference.com/browse/heathen I'll retag your question using existing tags that make sense to me. If there are additional tags you'd like us to create, please say so in the question or in this comment thread.
    – Isaac Moses
    Dec 2 '10 at 15:11
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Just as a first crack at this (and there is a lot more to say on the topic), we need to distinguish between different kinds of love. In human terms, a person loves their spouse, their children, and their close friends; but each of these is of a different type. Some of these may be "a love dependent on an external factor," others, "a love not dependent on such factors" (see Ethics of the Fathers 5:16).

In somewhat the same way (to the extent that we can apply human terms to G-d at all), there is a difference between a Jew - who, as low as he or she may have fallen, is still a Jew and a "child of G-d" (Deut. 14:1 and R' Meir in Talmud, Kiddushin 36a, explaining this verse), and with whom He therefore has a supra-rational and indissoluble bond -

versus a non-Jew, who does not have that special relationship (although it is of course true that G-d appreciates and rewards his or her good deeds - see Talmud, Bava Kamma 38b).

  • What's to say that G-d doesn't have different special relationships with non-Jewish groups? Oct 3 '12 at 5:06

Fascinating question. I would like to clarify a few things. First, I would like to make explicitly clear what you mean by "Hashem Loves more". In a strict sense Hashem does not love. He being perfect does not have any emotions. The Rambam states in the Moreh Nevuchim, Book I, Chapter 55 that no change or emotion can ever be predicated of Hashem. As the Novie states in Malachi Perek Gimmel, Pasuk Vov, "I, G-d, do not change." Rambam states in the Yad, Laws Concerning the Fundementals of our Faith, Perek Alef, Halacha Yud Alef, "and He does not change, for there is nothing that can cause change in him. There does not exist in him... anger or laughter, happiness or sadness…"

Therefore we can not say that Hashem loves us, that would be attributing an emotion to Hashem.
However, I believe your fundemental question is to identify which person is considered on a higher level before Hashem. An Idolater who loves Jews or a Jewish person that hates Jews. This is a challenging question, because the idolater is far from reality and the truth in that he has a false idea about God. The hating Jew must also be distorting the truth in order to hate the Jewish people. So, both are distant form reality. One would need to delve further to understand why it is that the non-Jews loves the Jews and why the Hating Jew hates other Jews? What is the basis for the hate, Perhaps if one is more correctable, then they may be in a better position to change. Just a few thoughts to address your question, let me know if you have any follow up questions.

  • "I loved Jacob, but Esau I hated"....
    – Gary
    Jan 21 '17 at 7:22
  • @Gary are you asking a question? If so, can you clarify?
    – RCW
    Jan 22 '17 at 20:35
  • -I can make it into a question-I'm far from an expert on the later commentators, but there's plenty of places in Tanach where God shows emotions, or plainly states his feelings. How can you say He does not love, when He says it? And why would perfection not include emotions? IMHO, perfection includes a bit of all emotions. "..whose Name is Jealous""His anger flared, and a fire from **** burned among them""My wrath will be kindled" etc. It's only us humans that assign good and bad labels to emotions, and think ourselves into a philosophical/logical conclusion that God doesn't have them.
    – Gary
    Jan 23 '17 at 5:30
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    @Gary Malachi 1:3, “Esau I hated.” does not refer to Jacob’s brother, but the nation, and even this is a metaphor. The Rambam felt that G-d does not have emotions.
    – Turk Hill
    May 22 '20 at 19:25

who does a father love more? his own children or someone else's?

  • God has children?
    – user4951
    Nov 16 '11 at 6:15
  • If covenant is the issue, perhaps wife or hordes of girlfriends would be a better analogy.
    – user4951
    Dec 17 '11 at 6:37
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    @JimThio The relationship between G-d and the Jews is a complex and multifaceted one. The Jews are at times called G-d's children, daughter, wife, mother, and servants. It is never meant in the literal physical sense of the word, but rather in a spiritual and (cringe) metaphorical sense. May 24 '12 at 15:26
  • We are all b'nei adam. Who is this "someone else"?
    – Ted Hopp
    Oct 18 '12 at 18:41

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