Why does the Talmud sometimes refer to someone as Ploni ben Ploni, and other times as Ploni bar Ploni?

Classic example:

In Bava Batra 14b the gemara says Rabbi Shimon ben Yochai

In Bar Ilan's edition of Yoma 26b the gemara says Rabbi Shimon bar Yochai

  • Great question I have always wondered about that. – Josh May 3 '17 at 21:59

"Ben" is Hebrew, whereas "Bar" is Aramaic. Thus, a mishnah or braisa discussing RSB"Y will usually use "Ben" and a statement made by an amorah will usually use "Bar".

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    Is this a rule that is consistent throughout Sha"s? – AKayser Jun 19 '14 at 14:23
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    @AKayser Probably not, given that printers have combined and disassembled acronyms many times. – Double AA Jun 19 '14 at 15:09
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    @ypnypn no amuroim ever called rashbi bar. bring a source for such a statement – MoriDowidhYa3aqov May 14 '17 at 20:15

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