We learn from Maran HaRav Ovadia Yosef Z"l, as well as R' Hamburger Shlit"a, and the rest of the non-Chassidic, non-Lurianic world that it is improper for one unlearned in sha"s and halachah to learn kabbalah. If the rabbi at a shul brings kabbalah in his dvar Torah, is it proper to leave the shul for the duration of the drash?

Thank-you to Hacham Gabriel, whose blog inspired my question.

  • is it a kosher Rabbi? would he be embarassed if you left?
    – ray
    Commented Apr 18, 2014 at 12:57
  • It's a fromm schul, albeit chassidic. However, I am unsure how derech eretz and learning something which may be assur work together. Commented Apr 18, 2014 at 13:02
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    The word "proper" is vague. Do you mean to ask whether it would be the preferred thing to do rather than subjecting yourself to improper education, or do you mean to ask whether it would be deemed tolerable despite the fact that you recognize it to be disrespectful?
    – Seth J
    Commented Apr 20, 2014 at 3:25
  • Related: judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/17759/…
    – Seth J
    Commented Apr 20, 2014 at 3:25
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    Play a drasha speaking of kabbalah, this is not the study of Kabbalah is like if someone speaks of the Goedel theorem without demonstration or deep theoretical consideration; or speaks of M.R.I or without explaining the basic principles of physics on from whitch these things are based. Basically there is no problem. You just try to understand what he means to you.
    – kouty
    Commented Mar 4, 2016 at 8:04

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It is insanely unlikely that a Rabbi who gives a kabbala speech is being megaleh sisrei torah be'pharhesya.

Saying over the words of the Zohar or the Ari without understanding them is approximately equivalent to pontificating on the meaning of life while bungee jumping.

Kabbala is a feeling, it is not an intellectual pursuit, therefore a technical rendition of how sephiros relate to each other without understanding the real world application of the concept of sephiros is an excercise in futility, not a glimpse into God's mind.

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    – mevaqesh
    Commented Mar 4, 2016 at 19:38
  • prove this with sources
    – Dude
    Commented Nov 20, 2022 at 14:03

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