We learn from Maran HaRav Ovadia Yosef Z"l, as well as R' Hamburger Shlit"a, and the rest of the non-Chassidic, non-Lurianic world that it is improper for one unlearned in sha"s and halachah to learn kabbalah. If the rabbi at a shul brings kabbalah in his dvar Torah, is it proper to leave the shul for the duration of the drash?

Thank-you to Hacham Gabriel, whose blog inspired my question.

  • is it a kosher Rabbi? would he be embarassed if you left?
    – ray
    Apr 18 '14 at 12:57
  • It's a fromm schul, albeit chassidic. However, I am unsure how derech eretz and learning something which may be assur work together. Apr 18 '14 at 13:02
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    The word "proper" is vague. Do you mean to ask whether it would be the preferred thing to do rather than subjecting yourself to improper education, or do you mean to ask whether it would be deemed tolerable despite the fact that you recognize it to be disrespectful?
    – Seth J
    Apr 20 '14 at 3:25
  • Related: judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/17759/…
    – Seth J
    Apr 20 '14 at 3:25
  • Whether the subject matter actually over-rules the common position of remaining in the beit knesset during a dvar Torah. Apr 20 '14 at 14:52

It is insanely unlikely that a Rabbi who gives a kabbala speech is being megaleh sisrei torah be'pharhesya.

Saying over the words of the Zohar or the Ari without understanding them is approximately equivalent to pontificating on the meaning of life while bungee jumping.

Kabbala is a feeling, it is not an intellectual pursuit, therefore a technical rendition of how sephiros relate to each other without understanding the real world application of the concept of sephiros is an excercise in futility, not a glimpse into God's mind.

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    – mevaqesh
    Mar 4 '16 at 19:38

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