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I recently brewed beer in a meat non-Ben-Yomo pot. Is beer considered a davar charif rendering my beer impermissible to be consumed with dairy? Would it depend on how much hops were used? Are only sharp things (garlic, onions, etc.) davar charif, or also very bitter things (lemons, hops, etc.)?

  • I don't know what hops really are, but it definitely extends to bitter things like lemons. Rabbi Forst lists whisky and olive oil. Not beer though. – Y     e     z Feb 10 '14 at 23:11
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    Are lemons bitter? I think of radicchio and bad cucumbers as bitter, but lemons as sour. – msh210 Feb 11 '14 at 5:13
  • impermissible to be consumed with dairy is only for askenazim – hazoriz Aug 4 '15 at 23:41
  • Some thoughts about this that may help someone else form an answer. there are some forms of beer which have vinegar like characteristics as a result of acetic acid but those characteristics would not be present in making the wort but develop in the fermenter if certain yeasts post fermentation are exposed to too much oxygen. Not all hops have the same level of bittering effect. Some hops which are high in alpha acids can have a high level of bittering impact but only depending on what time frame they are added to the boil. – Dude Feb 28 '17 at 22:19
  • For example in a standard 60 minute boil hops added in the beginning would be the most bitter and those added from 15 minutes onward would contribute more to aroma. – Dude Feb 28 '17 at 22:19
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No, beer is not a "davar charif." Hops are somewhat bitter, I suppose you could potentially argue if they're called charif, but the overall product, beer, is not that pungent. (Similarly, some out there treat mayonnaise as davar charif because one of the ingredients on the label is lemon juice! But the product mayonnaise is not sharp-tasting! My father asked R' Shimon Eider zt"l about this, who concurred that mayo is absolutely not a davar charif.

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    How about India Pale Ale (IPA) these beers are quite hoppy. Are you familiar with them? – Ish Ploni ViKohen Feb 11 '14 at 5:49
  • I still don't hear it. – Shalom Feb 11 '14 at 10:11
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    See Mishbatzos Zhav at the end of Siman 104 that beer is not like vinager – sam Aug 4 '15 at 19:30
  • But mayo contains vinegar which is a d'var charif. Isn't that a problem? – jkessler48 Feb 16 '17 at 18:15
  • so if vinegar is a davar chariff then would a beer that has acitic acid in it be a davar chariff such as a flanders red? – Laser123 Jul 3 '17 at 22:01

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