I recently brewed beer in a meat non-Ben-Yomo pot. Is beer considered a davar charif rendering my beer impermissible to be consumed with dairy? Would it depend on how much hops were used? Are only sharp things (garlic, onions, etc.) davar charif, or also very bitter things (lemons, hops, etc.)?
asked Feb 10, 2014 at 22:35
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I don't know what hops really are, but it definitely extends to bitter things like lemons. Rabbi Forst lists whisky and olive oil. Not beer though.– Y e zCommented Feb 10, 2014 at 23:11
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2Are lemons bitter? I think of radicchio and bad cucumbers as bitter, but lemons as sour.– msh210 ♦Commented Feb 11, 2014 at 5:13
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impermissible to be consumed with dairy is only for askenazim– hazorizCommented Aug 4, 2015 at 23:41
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Some thoughts about this that may help someone else form an answer. there are some forms of beer which have vinegar like characteristics as a result of acetic acid but those characteristics would not be present in making the wort but develop in the fermenter if certain yeasts post fermentation are exposed to too much oxygen. Not all hops have the same level of bittering effect. Some hops which are high in alpha acids can have a high level of bittering impact but only depending on what time frame they are added to the boil.– DudeCommented Feb 28, 2017 at 22:19
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For example in a standard 60 minute boil hops added in the beginning would be the most bitter and those added from 15 minutes onward would contribute more to aroma.– DudeCommented Feb 28, 2017 at 22:19
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No, beer is not a "davar charif." Hops are somewhat bitter, I suppose you could potentially argue if they're called charif, but the overall product, beer, is not that pungent. (Similarly, some out there treat mayonnaise as davar charif because one of the ingredients on the label is lemon juice! But the product mayonnaise is not sharp-tasting! My father asked R' Shimon Eider zt"l about this, who concurred that mayo is absolutely not a davar charif.
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2How about India Pale Ale (IPA) these beers are quite hoppy. Are you familiar with them? Commented Feb 11, 2014 at 5:49
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1See Mishbatzos Zhav at the end of Siman 104 that beer is not like vinager– samCommented Aug 4, 2015 at 19:30
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But mayo contains vinegar which is a d'var charif. Isn't that a problem? Commented Feb 16, 2017 at 18:15
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so if vinegar is a davar chariff then would a beer that has acitic acid in it be a davar chariff such as a flanders red?– Laser123Commented Jul 3, 2017 at 22:01