3

Was Hagar from Shem, Cham, or Yefes? If we say she was from Cham, then how can this be understood in light of Avraham's going out of his way to make sure his descendants don't marry into the descendants of Cham? According to Rashi, he even took her back after Sarah's death.

5

The Chida in Sefer Devash L'Pi 1:24 says that Hagar came from Cham.

Regarding your question "how can this be understood in light of Avraham's going out of his way to make sure his descendants don't marry into the descendants of Cham?" A look at the verses in Braishis does not mention Cham, it only mentions Canaan. (Breishis 24:3). Rashi explains that since Canaan was cursed, one that is blessed does not stick with one that is cursed. Looking in Parshas Noach 9:25 only Canaan was cursed, not all of Cham's offspring. Hagar although she was from Cham, most likely was not from the offspring of Canaan, more likely she was from the offspring of Mitzrayim, a different son of Cham who was not cursed.

  • strange that Noach cursed Canaan for something Cham did. – ray Oct 21 '13 at 17:33
  • @Ray: According to many Mifarshim Cham instigated what was done, and therefore he was cursed. – Gershon Gold Oct 21 '13 at 17:37
  • you mean Cham alone was cursed and also his future descendant Canaan only? – ray Oct 21 '13 at 18:00
  • @Ray: Look in Rashi in the Parshas Noach link to my answer. Rashi indicates that only Canaan was cursed. It seems like Noach did not curse Cham at all, only his son Canaan. – Gershon Gold Oct 21 '13 at 18:02
  • I see. Rashi on 9:22 says Cham either castrated him... and in 9:25 Canaan merely told his father. seems strange that Canaan's act was more deserving of the curse. – ray Oct 21 '13 at 18:09
2

According to the following Hebrew article Hagar was Cham's daughter:

http://www.biu.ac.il/jh/parasha/sarah/sha.html

  • so Cham was pharaoh? – ray Oct 18 '13 at 13:22
  • this doesnt answer the second part of the question which is really the main question – ray Oct 19 '13 at 17:32
1

מדרש רבה מב:ב הגר בתו של פרעה היתה

  • 2
    and what was paroh from? Cham? – ray Oct 18 '13 at 13:10
  • 1
    @ray Probably. וּבְנֵי, חָם--כּוּשׁ וּמִצְרַיִם, וּפוּט וּכְנָעַן. – Double AA Oct 18 '13 at 15:17

You must log in to answer this question.

Not the answer you're looking for? Browse other questions tagged .