If one forgets the "veten tal omatar livracha" phrase in the ashkenazi nussach, they must pray again (if they have finished the whole prayer). What happens if one forgot on mincha on friday, and the sun has set and it is now shabbat.

Do they say Maariv twice since mincha "didn't count" or do they not, since shabbat marriv doesn't mention it either.

I have seen this discussed in halacha with regard to other additions (yaaleh Veyavo, al hanisim...) but I am not certain the same logic applied there applies here.


  • Dupe? judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/21807/…
    – Double AA
    Oct 16, 2013 at 23:03
  • @DoubleAA yes IMO.
    – msh210
    Oct 17, 2013 at 11:51
  • question is not the same. second answer address the issue but does not rule on Veten Tal umatar Oct 17, 2013 at 16:16
  • @YaakovPinsky How is this question not a subset of that question? And why would you expect any answer here to "rule" on anything?
    – Double AA
    Oct 17, 2013 at 17:06
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    @DoubleAA not a dupe, since one can technically daven tefillah shel chol on Shabbos Jan 25, 2019 at 13:23

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The standard approach, as noted in various sources in Halacha (see articles here, and here, quoting the Piskei Teshuvah, and here in the name of Rav Ovadiah in Yalkut Yosef, although some disagree, see there) is to not repeat the Amidah at all.

This Dirshu article is the most thorough in its sourcing, actually citing commentaries and poskim on what to practically do, and they conclude that it is a Machlokes as well, whether to say two tefillos of Shabbos (Rav Chaim Soloveitchik and Rabbi Tzvi Pesach Frank, followed by Rabbi Chaim Kanievski), or not to repeat the Amidah (Sha'arei Teshuvah and Magen Avraham OC 108, followed by Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach and Rav Yosef Shalom Eliyashiv):

כד. שכח לומר טל ומטר במנחה בערב שבת, נחלקו האם מתפלל מעריב ב' פעמים [כיון דבין כך אינו מזכיר שם]. יש מדמים ליעלה ויבוא [כשר"ח הי' ביום שישי], דאינו חוזר כיון דא"א לעשות תנאי בשבת, דאין תפילת נדבה בשבת (שע"ת סי' קח, מג"א שם סקט"ז) וי"א דאינו דומה וחייב לחזור (הגר"ח בסטנסיל סי' א. שדת הר צבי א נד) ולמעשה י"א שלא יתפלל תפילת תשלומין כלל (הליכות שלמה פ"ח הערה 82 , הגרי"ש אלישיב. ועי' הסבר לזה בשיעורי הגרי"ש ע"מ ברכות מהרב ב.צ. קוק עמ' שיג) וי"א שיתפלל ערבית פעמיים (לגשמים בעיתם מהגר"ח קניבסקי)

This somewhat lomdish article discusses the issue in depth. Interestingly, it appears to suggest that a person should say Shemoneh Esrei on Friday night up to Birchas Hashanim (and possibly further), and say Vesein Tal Umatar during it, and then mention Shabbos, but this is not accepted customarily.


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