On motsai shabbos we make havdala and also make a b'rocho borai morai hoeish on what is called today the havdala. If one does not have one and no means of making a 'light' can one make the b'rocho on the stars? This question has to do with psochim 2a where is it discussed if the light of stars is called 'ohr'.

  • questions on present daf yomi – user2800 Jun 23 '13 at 0:00
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    Stars were created before shabbas,fire was created motzei shabbas – sam Jun 23 '13 at 8:33
  • @sam The yaavets in mor ukztsia 296 gives that reason for not saying it amongst others. But almost everyone else like the tur says you can. All my posts today on psochim are taken from the new mesivta gemoro. – user2800 Jun 23 '13 at 10:22
  • I thought we need a torch and a fire lit after Shabbos. Though for Motzai Yom Kippour the question stands. – Danny Schoemann Jun 24 '13 at 9:29
  • @Danny Schoemann No even on yom kippur you can light the 'torch' then. It must only not have been lit on shabbos. The real answer is it depends if stars are made of fire. – user2800 Jun 24 '13 at 10:07

Rokeach at the end of 356 - in this linked edition it is on page 242 line 5 says that if one is travelling he can stretch out his hands to the light of the stars and say Borai Meorai Haeish. He does not say anything regarding Shem U'Malchus.

However the Raviya Brachos clearly says he should say it with Shem U'Malchus.

ואם היה בדרך פושט ידיו לאור הכוכבים שהם של אש ואומר בא״י אמ״ה בורא מאורי האש

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    Is there any indication if we paskin this way? – Double AA Jan 8 '15 at 20:20

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