I have heard that the Baal Koreh represents Moshe Rabbeinu like at matan torah. Does anybody have a source for that idea?

  • Yerushalmi Megillah 4:1
    – Double AA
    May 29, 2013 at 6:50
  • Thanks. Does that source include the idea that one of the Gabbaim represents G-d? (I heard that from a very religious orthodox rabbi, and he said so the gabba is adjacent to the baal koreh). I'm particularly interested in what the source for that is. He said one gabba has the cards deciding who is to be called up and he tells the other gabba who to call up. And one of the gabbaim represents G-d. while the baal koreh-representse moshe rabbainu. be v interested to know if anybody knows a source for that.
    – smu
    May 29, 2013 at 10:08
  • @DoubleAA is that Perek ד? or Daf ד?
    – sanders
    May 29, 2013 at 13:33
  • @sanders Perek 4 Halacha 1
    – Double AA
    May 29, 2013 at 14:48
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    The Shulchan Aruch (don't remember where) requires 3 people for the reading - typically gabbai, baal korei and a third person. R' Moshe Shapiro cites this in his shiurim saying the underlying reason is they correspond to the 3 parties in the Maamad Har Sinai - Hashem, Moshe and Knesset Yisrael.
    – gt6989b
    May 29, 2013 at 15:44

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This Yerushalmi (Megillah perek 4, halacha 1) that Double AA cited tells a fascinating story. In it, Rav Shmuel bar Rav Yitzchak visits a shul and witnesses keriat haTorah in which the reader is “leaning on a post.” He claims that “This posture is forbidden, just as it was delivered at Sinai in a manner which instigated fear and trembling, so must it be rendered in public in a manner which evinces awe.” (Translation taken from a shiur by Rav Moshe Taragin).

Clearly, our keriat hatorah is seen as a recreation and reenactment of the experience of Maamad Har Sinai and the original Kabbalat Hatorah. Therefore, it would make a lot of sense that the Baal Koreh today is seen kivyachol like Moshe, because he is revealing the Torah to us thru his keriah, as Moshe did.

  • I think you might be misunderstanding the Yerushalmi. I understood it, at least, to mean that the meturgeman (translator) is like Moshe because he interlocutes between the Torah reading and the congregation.
    – Double AA
    May 29, 2013 at 15:29
  • Then what is the role of the Baal koreh, if the meturgeman is Moshe? Does the Baal koreh merely represent klal yisrael in every shul? Also, we don't have meturgemanim anymore, so its a bit of a moot metaphor. May 29, 2013 at 15:56
  • If the m'turg'man is like Moshe then presumaby the baal k'ria is like God. Some baale k'ria would agree. :-)
    – msh210
    May 29, 2013 at 16:31
  • see also Shiurim le-Zekher Aba Mari, be-inyan keriat ha-torah.
    – wfb
    May 29, 2013 at 16:35
  • @EiluV'Eilu come to me shul we have tarjumon. each and every posuk in the parsha on shabboth there a person leining and another person being a tarjumon. also for the haftoroh each posuk is read twice one with loshon hakodesh and person reading tarjum. May 30, 2013 at 1:28

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