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How is it that Gd said to (moses) that "no man shall see me face to face and live". yet in bereshit-32;31 (Jacob) said "I had seen Gd face to face and my soul was saved", thus naming the place peniel. shouldn't he not have lived since Gd said no man shall see me and live ?

  • Shouldn't this be "Panim be Fanim"? – Double AA Apr 22 '12 at 4:31
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Yaakov saw a malach, not Gd. Similar to Manoach who at first thought he would die because he saw a malach, but, of course, didn't. According to Rambam the question doesn't start since he explains in the Moreh that all angelic encounters are dreams.

  • so then can we actually say that moses saw gd face to face because no one can or ever will understand the true essence of his nothingness or comprehend to actually see the infinite face to face – Koachyah Sep 14 '10 at 13:24
  • No, Hashem said that he can't. The mepharshim talk about the quality of Moshe's nevuah (he was not incapacitated when he spoke to Hashem, etc). [I think "nothingness" is not the right description.] – YDK Sep 14 '10 at 13:51
  • Related: judaism.stackexchange.com/a/78238/8775. – mevaqesh May 22 '17 at 19:18

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