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תוספות on כתובות ל״ג עמ׳ ב׳‎ ("אילמלי") explains that the גמרא assumes that חנניה,‎ מישאל,‎ & עזריה were not forced to actually worship idolatry, but merely to bow down to a meaningless statue dedicated to the honor of the king. The גמרא says the reason they stood their ground and refused was only because they were not tortured, but if they had been tortured they would have bowed to the statue. The insight of תוספות here, quoting רבינו תם, is that even though it was a meaningless statue not bowing down to it was still a קידוש ה׳.

But immediately after presenting this explanation תוס׳ concludes that the language of the גמרא seems to suggest that it was a real idol.

Furthermore, on עבודה זרה ג׳ עמ׳ א׳, this גמרא is referenced by תוס׳ again, and the opinion of ר״ת is again presented, but this time without the contradictory concluding statement.

So who wrote that dissenting opinion in the תוס׳ on כתובות ל״ג עמ׳ ב׳?

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    Probably whoever wrote Tosfos on Kesubos.
    – b a
    Commented Feb 27, 2013 at 5:27
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    Did you check the Tosafots of Rosh, Rash and Rabbeinu Peretz to see if they have the extra line?
    – Double AA
    Commented Feb 27, 2013 at 5:53
  • Related: judaism.stackexchange.com/q/33705
    – msh210
    Commented Dec 4, 2013 at 7:39
  • @msh210 thanks for the formatting help! It drove me crazy trying to get that formatting to work.
    – Seth J
    Commented Nov 7, 2014 at 4:09
  • This is a relatively minor difference across masechtos. You will find much bigger discrepancies even in works known to belong to a single author, such as Rashba.
    – N.T.
    Commented Jun 1, 2021 at 21:52

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According to the book תוספות הר"ש משאנץ כתובות - Tosfot of the RaSh of Sens Ketubot, which is a printing of the Cambridge 508.1 MS1 by Avraham Lis, the author of this tosfot is the RaSh of Sens.


1 I haven't managed to access the manuscript itself online. For a little more info on the manuscript, see here.

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I don't know who wrote the dissenting opinion, however, there is the opinion of the Ri quoted in Tosfos Pesachim 53b "Mah Ra'uh" who implies that the statue was considered avoda zara. He says that the question is not why Chanania, Mishael and Azariah were willing to give their lives up, but rather why they did not run away before it came to that point.

Also the Shita Mekubetzes (Kesubos 33b) brings many Rishonim who held (like Rabbeinu Tam) that the statue was not a problem of Avoda Zara, but also cites a Rabbeinu Eliezer who also holds that it was Avoda Zara, but that a person is not obligated to withstand torture not to serve idols, only to give up their life.

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    Rail, welcome to Mi Yodeya! Thank you for the very interesting additional information to consider. It should be noted, however, that this does not answer the question of who provided the dissenting opinion. Perhaps this should be converted to a comment.
    – Seth J
    Commented May 20, 2014 at 14:33
  • I'm nominating this answer for deletion because it inherently does not answer the question. It begins with, "I don't know [the answer to your question]..." IMHO (maybe not so 'H'), this moves the attempted answer into conjecture and commentary territory. Move to delete and transform into a comment on the question. I've voted to delete, and I urge others to support me in this.
    – Seth J
    Commented Jun 2, 2014 at 17:38

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