Many Ashkenazim now wear Tzitzith with Techeleth tied in the tradition of the RaMBa"M. However, my understanding is that Ashkenazim minimally require a double-knot at the base of the tassle in order for the Tzitzith to be Kosher, regardless of how they are tied after that, while true Yemenite Tzitzith, in the tradition of the RaMBa"M, regardless of whether or not they have Techeleth, have no double-knot at the base. May an Ashkenazi wear Tzitzith tied in the Yemenite tradition?

  • Can you edit in some sources regarding what Ashkenazim and Teimanim generally hold about the kesher elyon?
    – Double AA
    Jun 29, 2012 at 19:04
  • Can you clarify what t'cheles has to do with this question? Aren't you asking only whether Ashk'nazim can wear tzitzis ties with the Yemenite tying scheme?
    – msh210
    Jun 29, 2012 at 19:36
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    @msh210, I'm bringing up a reason why an Ashkenazi might wear Tzitzith with that tying scheme and asking whether that would be acceptable.
    – Seth J
    Jun 29, 2012 at 20:01
  • In Israel you will find many people and communities mixing and matching minhagim from different communities. Is that what you are asking, or are you asking something else?
    – avi
    Sep 29, 2012 at 22:05
  • @Avi, it's more than Minhag. Maybe. My question is about the criticality, in Ashkenazi Pesak, of the first double-knot, which does not appear in Yemenite Tzitzith.
    – Seth J
    Sep 30, 2012 at 1:58

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Rav Dov Lior rules to put Techeleth, he also rules to make double knot in the beginning and then to make ties by Rambam. I've heard this on his lesson on Mishna Berura where he showed his tzitzis tied this way.

From this I conclude that double knot is essential.

  • This is the knot above, the OP is asking about the knot after the chulyot. Oct 1, 2014 at 23:17
  • @NoachmiFrankfurt I think that you are not correct. From this part of the question: "a double-knot at the base of the tassle in order for the Tzitzith to be Kosher, regardless of how they are tied after that" I understand that he is talking about the knot above.
    – jutky
    Oct 2, 2014 at 11:18

The double knot at the top is midoraisa. That's what fulfills the mitzvah The other knots developed and became custom. Some are based on the ari z"l and other kabbalistic sources but it doesn't matter if you have that first double knot. A bigger question would be wearing wool or cotton.


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    Can you edit in sources for your claims?
    – Scimonster
    Nov 23, 2014 at 20:50

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