May an Ashkenaz minyan use a sephardic torah (written in כתב וועליש) for their minyan or vise versa? Please cite a source
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2PM, welcome to Mi Yodeya. Please clarify why you think this might be a problem.– Seth JJun 29, 2012 at 14:14
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Presumably inspired by: myobiterdicta.blogspot.com/2012/06/…– Isaac Moses ♦Jun 29, 2012 at 14:15
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3Are you only asking because of differences in the ktav (such as kotzot shel yud) or regarding different spellings (such as פצוע דכא/דכה)?– Double AA ♦Jun 29, 2012 at 15:27
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I'll second SethJ's welcome, and am commenting only to recommend that you register your account, which will give you access to more of the site's features.– msh210 ♦Jun 29, 2012 at 16:08
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possible duplicate of With which Torah can one fulfill the obligation of Parshas Zachor?– Seth JJun 29, 2012 at 18:57
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The Tur Yoreh Deah 274 says in the name of the Rosh that there is no issue with the different lettering. The Meiri Shabbos 104a also indicates that there is no issue. The Noda B'Yehuda Yora Deah 171 also indicates that it is fine.
answered Jun 29, 2012 at 15:30
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I don't know that the Rosh would accept a yud without a lower-left point. He is just saying that stylistic changes that aren't definitional are OK. But there are lines even he wouldn't cross.– Double AA ♦Jun 29, 2012 at 15:40
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@DoubleAA, soferim I know say that Sephardim now add kotzo shel yud, et c. ע"פ בעלי התוספות והר׳ יוסף קארו Oct 9, 2017 at 18:57
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@noach that's largely true in mainstream "Sefardi" communities as of the last couple hundred years, but there are still some purists who don't.– Double AA ♦Oct 9, 2017 at 19:00
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1@noac I don't have any statistics. It may be 99% for all I know but it's not 100%. Yemenites I think even more so are less careful about this issue.– Double AA ♦Oct 9, 2017 at 19:09
Taken from my answer here:
Yalkut Yosef 685:12
ומתוך ספר תורה בכתב אשכנזי, יצאו ידי חובה
וכן ההיפך, שהכל יוצאים ידי חובה בספר תורה שנכתב בכתב ספרדי, אף שהיו''ד של הצד''י נכתב כיו''ד הפוכה.
a) A Sefaradi who heard from a Ahkenazi written Sefer Torah is Yose.
b) An Ashkenazi is also Yose from a Torah written in Sefaradi style.
One can infer from the fact the he does not mention the "petzua daka" issue, that it would not be a problem (although he doesn't seem to say so explicitly).
Therefore, I don't think it's an issue.
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An answer with a link is not very useful to people....I copied your answer from over there, and put it in blockquotes....if you'd like to edit it or change how much is quoted, it's your answer ;-)– MTLJan 4, 2015 at 3:13
Just to throw in a few more modern sources: Har Tzevi OC 1:32, Minchat Yitzchak 4:47 and Mishneh Halachot 7:8 all explicitly rule that Vellish is kosher. Tzitz Eliezer 14:3:4 permits post facto even Sta"m that was written with a mix of Vellish and Ashkenazi. Igrot Moshe OC 5:2 also permits other forms of writing but he is quick to point out that it is better to stick to one's custom on the matter.
answered Jul 1, 2012 at 23:22
