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How does one proceed at a Kiddush where the one making Kiddush can sit down but everyone else stands? The cake is not covered before kiddush. In every case attendees make a brocho before eating or drinking.

I have seen three modes of behaviour:

  • Attendees have nothing in their hand until kiddush is made and then take and eat cake.

  • Attendees take a whisky in their hand until kiddush is made and then drink it.

  • Attendees take cake and a whisky in their hand until kiddush is made and then eat the cake first.

Questions

1) Does the halocho allow you to partake of a kiddush standing? (After all a seudah is normally eaten sitting and we need kiddush in the location of a seudah).

2) Is it right to hold the food in your hand before kiddush? (The one making kiddush makes a brocho on wine; we normally cover bread in this situation.)

3) What should you partake of first?

  • Excellent question and I've seen some "unusual" customs. In one shul, the rav was makpid to cover the cake plate in front of him while he made Kiddush. In some shuls, the rav makes Kiddush in the shul. In most other places, the wine / schnapps is in one area and the cake and rest of the food is in another area. Perhaps that set up avoids the covering of the cake. IIRC, Kiddush in the shul does not constitute the mitzvah of makom se'udah at a typical shul "stand up" Kiddush. Thus, everyone I know makes Kiddush at home, again and they have their meal there. – DanF Jan 31 '18 at 23:19
  • @DanF Kiddush has to be bemokom seudah or it is not valid. – Avrohom Yitzchok Feb 1 '18 at 9:18
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    @DanF My last comment was what I thought up until I saw ohr.edu/this_week/insights_into_halacha/6206 . The section titled Kiddush X 2 is particularly relevant. – Avrohom Yitzchok Feb 1 '18 at 9:38
  • "Kiddush has to be bemokom seudah or it is not valid" - Well, this makes an interesting question. Many shuls make Kiddush in shul on Friday night. O.C. among others says that the one who makes the Kiddush should not have in mind to fulfill his obligation via the shul Kiddush, and they also suggest givng the wine to a child. Why do we have to put these stipulations at all if the Kiddush is not valid unless in makom se'udah? Any ideas? – DanF Feb 1 '18 at 15:36
  • why would you need to cover cake? – Laser123 Feb 2 '18 at 0:48

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