Chasidic groups vary in terms of their siddur's differences from nusach Ashkenaz, as well as their general minhagim and hashkafic approaches.

Is there a Chasidic group which most closely matches the regional customs prior to the advent of Chasidus?

Edit: I confess I have no idea how there could be one selectable correct answer to this question.

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Erlau. They dress like Hassidim and they have a rebbe, who holds a tisch, but their traditions and minhagim are Chassam Sofer strictly (In fact, the Erlauer ravs are from the direct line of the Chassam Sofer, and their surname is in fact, Sofer.). They use Ashkenaz siddur, and their culture is an Oberlander culture.

You'll also find, if you hang out with the Erlau community, that they tend to be much more sophisticated and worldly than regular Hassidim are. Regular Hassidim are nice, sweet folks, but very simple and naive, whilst Erlau people, while also sweet and kind, seem quite educated. Erlau has selectively adopted a few Hassidishims, but haven't betrayed their authentic traditions the way other Oberlander groups have.

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    Who are the "regular Hassidim"? I seem to have met simple and sophsticated people in every social group.
    – JNF
    Oct 12, 2012 at 9:45
  • Although Erlau is often called Hasidic, I'm not sure if they are actually Hasidim or if they are just very old-fashioned Haredim. Do they have a Hasiduth?
    – ezra
    Sep 28, 2017 at 17:32

I've heard that Belz Chassidus uses Nusach Ashkenaz (or something close to it) for Shemoneh Esrei.


Vien chassidim(oberlander Jews) Daven Ahskanaz even though some switched to sefard . They also initially wore homburg hats not shtreimals which chassidim traditionally wear.

  • To improve this answer, perhaps you should elaborate on what makes them more similar to Ashkenazi Jews than other Chassidim are.
    – HodofHod
    May 17, 2012 at 4:53
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    The member of the Vien kehilla that daven Ashkenaz and wear Hamburgs would be livid if they see you calling them Chasiddim. I'm not saying that have anything against Chasidim (other than the fact that their keilla turned chasidish). They just would never consider themselves chasidim. PS, I'm from this kehilla.
    – Shmuly
    May 25, 2012 at 6:18
  • @shmuly I dont disagree but thats what happened.
    – sam
    May 25, 2012 at 17:00
  • @Shmuly, that's interesting. What would they consider themselves? Do they have a Rebbe?
    – Seth J
    Sep 21, 2012 at 14:08
  • One more similarity between the Vien Chasidim and Ashkenaz - wrapping the Tefilin shel Yad towards the wearer. Jan 21, 2013 at 16:24

The Gerer shtible near me davens mincha before shki'a, but without tachanun. Also, they say "Boruch HaShem omain vomain" in Maariv.

  • They just never say tachanun? Ever?
    – Double AA
    May 17, 2012 at 14:14
  • Not to mincha as far as I have seen. May 17, 2012 at 14:23
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    Outside of Breslov and Chabad, the majority of Chassidim do not say Tachnun because they hold of the opinion that you do not say tachnun on the yaharzeit of a tzaddik and there is a yaharzeit everyday.
    – user1292
    May 17, 2012 at 17:11
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    It is true. The source is just about any Chassidic shuls. Even wikipedia holds of this but does not have a source.
    – user1292
    May 17, 2012 at 17:16
  • And among those who do say tachanun, most skip it at mincha. I've long understood this to be because they typically say mincha after sh'kia, when they'd skip tachanun; even if they say it early, then, they do so. @mochinrechavim
    – msh210
    May 17, 2012 at 17:22

Erlau daven Nusach Ashkenaz in their main shul in Katamon, (and they are "culturally" hasidic in many ways). In fact, Erlau are more loyal to Minhag Ashkenaz that the vast majority of Nusach Ashkenaz shuls (except for the Yekkis of course). For example, from what I have heard, they say the traditional piyutim throughout the year, including the Marovis on Yom Tov night. So a visit to Erlau in Katamon is probably the closest we can get to a "traditional" Eastern European Nusach Ashkenaz davening, (even though many consider them Chasidim and they dress with streimels, have a rebbe, tish etc...)


Belz davens Nusach Ashkenaz Shemona Esrei and they also say Baruch Hashem Le'Olam on Motzai Shabbos before Shemona Esrei.

The reason behind it is mentioned here.

Belz, as opposed to Viznitz, Gur and probably others as well, does daven Mincha after sh'kia but they do say tachanun during Mincha.

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There are a number of Carlebach-style minyanim both in the U.S. and in the Holy Land of Israel that pray in Nusach Ashkenaz, and I do believe that Reb Shlomo was Chassidic. However, there have in the past existed within other Chassidic groups multiple sets of minhagim. One example is that there was a Chabad before Lubavitch. I know this because the Baal HaTanya himself was from a place called Liadi, not Lubavitch. He probably had Liadian (sp?) minhagim, not Lubavitcher ones.

  • Can any Chabad and/or Lubavitch readers confirm the latter bit?
    – Double AA
    May 18, 2012 at 3:31
  • In terms of halacha, Lubavitchers adhere to the Shulchan Aruch HaRav, written by the Baal HaTanya. In terms of minhag, however, Chabad minhagim are codified in Sefer HaMinhagim, compiled about fifty years ago. The last Lubavitcher Rebbe z'l described it as clarifying which particular minhag was the practice of the Chabad community where the S"A gave multiple opinions.
    – yoel
    May 18, 2012 at 3:57
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    @yoel, Lubavitchers follow Sh"A HaRav, except where it is contradicted by his Siddur (which he wrote later). Double AA, Adam; Chabad had ties to the city of Lubavitch even prior to the Alter Rebbe; also, he actually studied there for several years as a child. Additionally, his family were chassidim of the BeSH"T, so it's likely that they followed his minhagim. Adam, while it's true that Chabad split into different groups (Lubavitch, Kopust etc.,) after the Tzemach Tzedek's passing, as far as I know, they all shared the minhagim of the Tz"Tz (i.e. Chabad). <-Someone may correct me on that point
    – HodofHod
    May 18, 2012 at 4:39
  • Minhagim in europe were mostly family based, so there is no chiddush that it was any more in Chabad than any other group. Minhagim in Lubavitch have evolved and certain things that were done then aren't done now and other things were added by different Rebbeim. Even how Chassidus is explains differs from the Mitteler Rebbe to the Rebbe Rashab. The statement that "multiple minhagim" were kept needs explaination. Two minhagim for the same issue? Keeping a satmar minhag as well? Family minhag? Bottom line is you can replace Chabad with just about any group and make the statement work.
    – user1292
    May 20, 2012 at 6:00
  • @HodofHod Yoel is simply saying the Alter Rebbe brings many opinions in his S.A. and explains why one opinion is chosen. Sefer HaMinhagim obviously doesnt work like that. One is halacha and the other is minhag. The siddur is meant for the Chassidim and the Shulchan Aruch is meant for Klal Yisroel. The siddur is a response to a statement made in the Alter Rebbe's shuchan aruch that when Kabbalah and Halacha disagree and Kabbalah is more machmir, we go with Kabbalah.
    – user1292
    May 20, 2012 at 6:02

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