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A mishna on Meila 11a talks about money that a nazarite set aside for his offerings; if he died before completing the term and had set money aside specifically for the sin-offering, those coins are dropped into the Dead Sea. (I know that this is a specific case of a more-general rule.) This led me to wonder how that was done: were the coins dropped in individually, for each person as the case came up, or collected and dumped en masse (after some amount of time perhaps, or when there are "enough" to be worth the effort, like when we collect papers for burial)? I then found two possibly-contradictory ideas: on the one hand, some speculate that a large collection found by archaeologists was from this kind of disposal, but on the other hand, I'm told that Rashi on Pesachim 28a says there was a concern that people would collect them. (According to the latter view, the Dead Sea was chosen because ships didn't go there, not necessarily for its corrosive properties.)

If there is a concern that people will go diving for them, it would make sense to dump them individually, as the cases come up, not in large volumes, to reduce the profitability of that. On the other hand, that's more of a hassle to manage, and raises the risk of the money being used instead of destroyed.

How was this done? Was each payment dumped individually, or was money collected until there was "enough"?

  • I seem to have a tendency for thinking of questions that I struggle to tag. I'm really sorry about that. (I wasn't sure whether to go ahead and create a meila tag, for example.) – Monica Cellio Apr 27 '12 at 1:32
  • According to Rambam, it's possible that indeed you don't have to throw them into the Dead Sea specifically. In Hil. Erchin 8:8 he speaks of throwing something forbidden for use (an item declared hekdesh in the absence of the Temple) לים המלח או לים הגדול, "into the Dead Sea or the Mediterranean Sea." [For that matter, there seem to be places where he uses ים המלח to mean the Mediterranean - he thus speaks of the chilazon as living there (Hil. Tzitzis 2:2), and of some kind of threadlike moss growing on rocks there (Hil. Kilayim 10:1).] – Alex Apr 27 '12 at 2:42
  • In relation to maaser sheni if one throws something into a river it has to be turned into dust so it could never be used(Shulchan Aruch 331:133) – sam Apr 27 '12 at 5:47
  • @sam Indeed, but the river may be different than the sea, as rivers flow through inhabited areas. – Double AA Apr 27 '12 at 6:08
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The Be'er Heitev in Yoreh De'ah 146:14 - סימן קמו - איזו עבודת כוכבים יש לה בטול ואיזו אין לה בטול - brings a dispute as to whether items thrown into the dead sea had to be pulverized first.

באר היטב (יד) לים. היינו לשאר נהרות (הוא דבעי שחיקה שספינות עוברות שם ושמא תפגע בו ותטלנו) אבל לים המלח לא בעי שחיקה ב''י וד''מ וכן הוא לקמן סי' רצ''ד ס''ו והב''ח כ' דאף לים המלח בעי שחיקה ועיין בא''ח סי' תמ''ה עכ''ל הש''ך:‏

The Beis Yosef and Darkei Moshe say that they can be thrown in "as is".

The Bach argues and says that even if they are thrown into the dead sea they first have to be pulverized.

  • I don't see how this answers the question of whether they were dumped all at once or individually. – Scimonster May 1 '17 at 13:40
  • Does the Bach say that they were pulverized immediately (so they couldn't be misappropriated), or only at the time of dumping (in which case the concern that prompts the question remains)? – Monica Cellio May 1 '17 at 14:51

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