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How did Rabbi Judah the Prince's bookcase look like?
As the most distinguished and rich Pharisee of his time, what books besides the Tanach, did he have in his library around 200 CE?

EDIT: As Rambam mentions in the preface to the MT, I understand that Rabbi had numerous handwritten notes from other Tannoyim, but were any of them (of the Oral tradition) compiled and distributed as a finished work?

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    While he redacted the Spoken Law into the Mishnah as we know it today, it sounds like there were various proto-Mishnaic materials circulating, as well as private notebooks.
    – Shalom
    Commented Jul 15 at 9:21
  • Indeed I recently heard that he came upon a scene where many different Tanaaim were keeping their own notes in their own style, and he specifically went through all the styles in order to pick the best one for posterity. I believe he chose the style we have today because of how good it is for memorization. What else he had on his shelf is anyone's guess! Maybe he had some works by Shamaya and Shimon Ben Shetach? judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/136775/…
    – Rabbi Kaii
    Commented Jul 15 at 10:31
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    In addition to previous comments, Ben Sira was very popular, including among various sages, so possibly that. I would also hazard a guess that he had some works in Greek because he was in favor of learning Greek.
    – Harel13
    Commented Jul 15 at 11:12
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    i have a theory that the reason why the mishna had to be written down was because people started reading books so we had to provide them with "kosher" reading material. "heferu toratecha" is past tense, its already happening sefaria.org/Berakhot.63a.8-9. what were they reading? Homer (the odyssey) ספרי הומריס sefaria.org/Mishnah_Yadayim.4.6
    – Mordechai
    Commented Jul 15 at 16:31
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    The real answer is we have no idea.
    – N.T.
    Commented Jul 22 at 5:36

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There were several texts of Oral Law written prior to Mishnah. According to Iggeres Rav Sherira Gaon, (ch. 2) Rebbi mastered 13 approaches to the laws (see also Nedarim 41a).

When Rebbi had mastered 13 approaches to the laws, he taught r. Chiyya 7 of them. Rebbi took ill and forgot them. R. Chiyya restored the 7, but the other 6 were forgotten. There was a launderer who had heard when Rebbe used to recite them. R. Chiyya went and learned them from the launderer. [R. Chiyya] then went and repeated them before Rebbi. When Rebbi used to see the launderer, he would say to him: "You made me and r. Chiyya", According to some, he would say: "You made Chiyya, and Chiyya made me".

Very likely, this gemara alludes in part to the following texts. R. Yishmael and R. Shimon b. Yochai write two midrashei Mechilta, R. Chiya b. Abba wrote Sifra, also big portions of Sifre where written by different authors (described in Iggeres ch. 5). Tosefta of. R. Chiya and r. Oshaya were also studied by Rebbi - R. Yehudah ha Nasi (described in Iggeres ch. 4).

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  • Thank you, why do you think we rely on the testimony of Gaon some 800 years after R"Y? Why do we have no contemporary examples?
    – Al Berko
    Commented Jul 21 at 18:52
  • The Gaon describes a continuous recorded passage of our tradition with details of what each person did. Analysis of statements, present in the above mentioned texts, clearly points out to an earlier time than Mishna. The contemporary examples are also scattered in the Gemara and Yerushalmi, as I brought the example of Nedarim 41a. Rebbe learned from many people and their notes. Perhaps I will give another answer about it.
    – Y DJ
    Commented Jul 21 at 19:02
  • Right, I'm with you that numerous oral traditions existed before Rebbe's time, but it appears that before the Mishna none was published as a finished and named work. It's sort of an anachronism by the Goens and later generations to perceive oral traditions as "works". Frequently, we have tons of pseudepigraphy, where later Midrashim are ascribed to the Tannayim for credibility.
    – Al Berko
    Commented Jul 21 at 19:11
  • @AlBerko we do not have the original scrolls. We can only date based on people mentioned and language used. For example, the language of Zohar is medieval. The language of Seder Olam is from antiquity. Jewish people underwent much persecution. Non-persecuted religions, Christianity and Islam also do not have originals of anything. It is a problem. Documentary hypothesis was developed in Germany about 300 years ago in 1700-s.
    – Y DJ
    Commented Jul 24 at 0:47
  • @AlBerko R. Sherira is not in fact saying that these oral traditions were "works"; that's YDJ's inference (possibly correct, possibly not). So no anachronism there.
    – Meir
    Commented Sep 11 at 14:07
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In the view of the discussion, it's good to note, that the production of the Mishnah was a 2-tiered process, as Rambam points in his "Introduction to Mishna". The same idea is developed further in the introduction to the Netziv's commentary Ha’amek Sh’alah to Sheiltos of Rav Hai Gaon (translated as "The Path of Torah"). Netziv notes that development of halachah is a 2-tiered process, which was performed by Sanhedrin. The process consisted of

1-st tier - legislation: issue of psak halacha to various life circumstances

2-nd tier - adjudication: combining of similar laws into a single halacha l'ma'aseh.

One can see an example of such a system not only in halacha but also in the 2nd perek of masechet Pirkei Avot with 5 students of Rabbi Yochanan ben Zakkai. There are 4 students who work hard arriving at an independent psak: Rabbi Eliezer ben Hyrcanus, Rabbi Joshua ben Hananiah, Rabbi Yose haKohein, and Rabbi Shimon ben Nethanel, and then comes the smartest of all Rabbi Eleazar ben Arach and makes the punchline. What is the purpose of the discussion in Avos? It is precisely to explain with simple examples how the 2-tiered process at arriving at halacha worked. R. Eleazar ben Arach did not work as a posek / legislator, he worked as an adjudicator, while the four other rabbis covered all the possibilities with their independent and diverse psak.

Such was development of the Mishnah. As evidence shows, the previous halachic work included mostly halachic commentary on Chumash and other books of Nach, which were available in some form and evidently edited later. Rabbi Yehuda haNassi's job was to produce a singular halachic work, which would unite approaches of other hachamim. He was a great adjudicator, while others produced psak to make the system work.

Mishnah was written in circumstances which radically differed from previous halachic work, when there was the Temple. Netziv explains that the holiness of the Temple somehow allowed to effortlessly arrive at the correct formulation, and no painful process of halachic argumentation was necessary. As a result, towards the end of the Temple, under Roman occupation, hachamim lacked the skill neccessary to make a correct psak. In Netziv's opinion, that's precisely what caused hesitation of R. Zecharia ben Avkulos regarding Bar Kamtza in Gittin 56a.

After the Temple destruction, a diverse legislative work was performed for several generations until a mature body of halacha emerged, and Mishna united these approaches at the end. In fact, many discussions in the gemara one can also view in exactly the same 2-tiered format as actually pointed out by sefer Havot Yair (see Talmud Reclaimed by R. Shmuel Phillips). Ravina and Rav Ashi were adjudicators of Gemara. R. Yosef Caro and R. Moshe Isserlish were adjudicators of Shulchan Aruch, etc.

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  • Thank you, a rather fresh idea. I appreciate your knowledge and effort. So you're saying a rabbi in the 19th century suddenly gets a revealing understanding of the mechanisms of the compilation of the Mishna totally ignored by previous generations? Did you hear of the "confirmation bias"? The tendency to search for evidence that supports your claims while ignoring all others? Unfortunately, our tradition suffers enormously from it. You bring as evidence an ethical, rather than Halachic claim in Avos, where one rabbi prefers one student over the others.
    – Al Berko
    Commented Jul 23 at 7:31
  • But you overlook the real "Halachic" Mishnayos, where either one traditional opinion is listed or several rivaling ones without a conclusion. Adjudication is extremely rare in both Mishna and the Talmud, and the first attempts to distill the ruling Hahacha appeared in the times of the Geonim hundreds of years later.
    – Al Berko
    Commented Jul 23 at 7:35
  • You might want to move your answer to judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/60565/… it seems more appropriate there.
    – Al Berko
    Commented Jul 23 at 7:37
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    @AlBerko As I already mentioned: Targum Yonatan ben Uziel, Mechilta of R. Yishmael, Mechilta of Shimon b. Yochai, Sifra, portions of Sifre, Seder Olam.
    – Y DJ
    Commented Jul 24 at 0:54
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    @AlBerko additional Targumim (Onkelos, Yerushalmi, etc.) also could have been produced.
    – Y DJ
    Commented Jul 24 at 1:40
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Sefer "Kerem Yehoshua" by R.Yehoshua Cohen, p.157-159, when discussing arguments between Rashi and Tosafos, writes the following about the sources of R. Yehudah haNassi's learning:

Jerusalem Talmud, Shabbos 10:5 (63b) and Pesachim 10:1(68b) state that any law which R, Yehudah haNassi taught he learned from his mentor R. Yaakov ben Kodeshai (Korshai).

At first glance this seems strange, for in the Babylonian Talmud we find that R. Yehudah haNassi had many teachers:

  1. His Father, Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel (Bava Metzia 84b)
  2. R. Yehoshua ben Korcha (same place)
  3. R. Meir (Eruvin 13b in Rashi, contrary to Jerusalem Talmud, Beitza 5:2 (20b); and see Tosafos Menachos 104a, s.v. מוריינא; Rashbam to Bava Metzia 51b, s.v. רברבי; and Maharshal and Rashash there)
  4. R. Elazar ben Shamua (Eruvin 53a, and Menachos 18a)
  5. R. Shimon [b. Yohai] (Shabbos 147b, Rashi to Beitza 26a, s.v. א"ל; Tosafos to Makkos 9b, s.v. נשמט; et. al.)
  6. R. Yehudah [bar Ilai] (Shavuos 13a; and see Megilla 20a)
  7. R. Yose [b. Halafta] (see Tosafos to Shabbos 51a, s.v. אילו)

(Note 7 sources in light with Nedarim 41a!) However, nowhere in the Babylonian Talmud does it mention that he learned from R. Yaakov ben Kodeshai (Korshai)! So how can the Jerusalem Talmud say that any law he taught he must have heard it from R. Yaakov ben Kodeshai (Korshai), and not from any other teacher we listed?

The key to this puzzle can be found in Avodah Zarah 19a, which states in order to learn the logic and reasoning process of the Talmud (סברה) it is best to learn from several teachers, while in order to learn the text itself of the Talmud, as passed down by tradition, it is best to learn from one teacher, so as to avoid contradictions of wording. Likewise we find in Eruvin 53a: the Judeans studied from one rabbi and their Torah stayed with them permanently; the Galileans did not study from one rabbi, and their Torah did not stay with them permanently." Rashi explains (s.v. לא גמרי מחר רבה): "They [the Galileans] heard [the Gemara] from one rabbi i one wording and from another in a different wording. And even though both [rabbis] had the same thing, the change of wording confused them and made them forget."

Based on this we can explain as follows: The Jerusalem Talmud knew that all of R. Yehudah haNassi's teachers, listed above, only taught him logic and reasoning, after he had already learned the traditional text. But his principle rabbi, who taught him the text itself as passed down by tradition, was R. Yaakov ben Kodeshai (Korshai).

Btw. R. Yose b. Halafta wrote Midrash Seder Olam.

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    +1 Thank you. I think there's been some misunderstanding about my question and comments. Again, I didn't assume that Rabbi had no sources, I only wondered if there were any existing works, as finished and published books, besides the Tanach, that we already know was a pretty much finished work. You keep saying that Rabbi studied from tons of different rabbis and I already agreed.
    – Al Berko
    Commented Jul 21 at 19:43
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    What's the evidence for your assumption that Rebbi physically received his rabbis' notes (assuming they themselves had any notes and didn't just learn everything by heart)?
    – Harel13
    Commented Jul 22 at 3:30
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    @AlBerko, no, I very much disagree. Rebbi was a great talmid chacham and some of his own rulings appear in the Mishna. The Mishna is a compilation but it was also edited by him. No know-nothing "political leader" could have done something like that.
    – Harel13
    Commented Jul 22 at 12:29
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    @Harel13 regarding R. Meir: there was a conflict between the Sages and he had to leave Eretz Israel. Eruvin 13b; Yerushalmi Beitzah 63a, r. Yehuda haNassi states that he only saw r. Meir from behind. R. Nathan took side of r. Meir in the conflict and had to go. Bava Batra 131a; Yerushalmi Ketuvot 29a; Bava Batra 16a r. Yehuda haNassi makes a remark how he failed to treat r. Nathan properly as a youth. I agree that r. Yehuda haNassi was a great man as we learn in the last perek of Pirkei Avot. R. Sherira Gaon confirms that.
    – Y DJ
    Commented Jul 22 at 14:14
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    @Harel13 i suggested sources. Have you already checked them to write your comment?
    – Y DJ
    Commented Jul 22 at 14:39

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