I know that he doesn't NEED to make Kidush, but if one must eat before Shacharis, is he ALLOWED to make Kiddush?

  • This is my father-in-law's practice. Bli neder I will find a source later. Commented Jul 1 at 10:53
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    what is this person eating before shacharit? bread? pat haba'ah beiksanin? other food?
    – Joel K
    Commented Jul 1 at 13:13
  • One can eat before shachsris without kiddish Commented Jul 1 at 19:23
  • Related (dupe?): judaism.stackexchange.com/q/32161/6592
    – shmosel
    Commented Jul 1 at 20:58
  • @Coreofreality this is not at all so clear, see here and there
    – mbloch
    Commented Jul 2 at 3:27

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Answer and sources from Halachipedia (https://halachipedia.com/index.php?title=Kiddush)

Someone who is sick and needs to eat before davening on Shabbat, according to Ashkenazim should recite Kiddush beforehand unless one doesn't eat a kezayit of mezonot within a kdei achilat pras, while according to Sephardim it isn't necessary.

Mishna Brurah (Biur Halacha 289:1 s.v. chovat) and Igrot Moshe OC 2:26:2 write that someone who is sick and needs to eat before davening on Shabbat should make kiddush unless he doesn't need to eat pat haba bekisnin. Piskei Teshuvot 289:8 note 63 writes that the best option is for the sick person not to have a kezayit of pat haba bekisnin within a kedi achilat pras which wouldn't obligate kiddush.

Yabia Omer OC 8:31 and Or Letzion 2:20:14 write that someone who is sick and needs to eat before davening on Shabbat does not need to make kiddush. See also Kaf Hachaim 276:28 who is lenient in extenuating circumstances. See Chazon Ovadia (Shabbat v. 2 p. 149) where Rav Ovadia recommends that a sick person who needs to eat bread or pat haba bekisnin before davening should recite kiddush.

  • This seems to be conflating the issue of eating before davening with eating before kiddush. Can you drink water before davening without kiddush? As far as I understand, the kiddush requirement only takes effect after davening.
    – shmosel
    Commented Jul 1 at 19:52
  • Thank you for your comment - I've revised the answer to better address the question Commented Jul 1 at 20:53

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