Converts born with a Jewish soul (but born to the "wrong" parents), or converts getting a Jewish soul upon conversion?

I've heard the idea that if somebody converts to Judaism then it means that they have felt Jewish, and the conversion is more of a confirmation. And it means that they have a Jewish soul, and were born to the wrong parents, in the sense of, given that there parents aren't Jewish, it wasn't clear that they had a Jewish soul. The conversion is a test that shows that they are Jewish, (so, i.e. their Jewish soul led them to that path).

But I recently heard another idea that upon conversion, God gives them a Jewish soul. I've never heard that one before.

Are there sources for the "born to the wrong parents" idea? (I'm sure there are, but which?).

And for the "given a Jewish soul upon conversion" idea that I just heard?

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    Could both be true? The sources do discuss that we have 2 souls, an earthy one and a Divine one.
    – Rabbi Kaii
    Jan 15 at 12:12
  • @RabbiKaii that's two excluding the shabbat one that is just on Shabbat! Maybe what you speak of is an idea that Jews have an additional soul, beyond the animal soul, whereas non-jews just have the animal soul. (I once heard that Tanya has an idea something a bit like that). I wonder though if some sources speak simply of one soul, and Jews and Non-Jews having a different type of soul. (cntd)
    – barlop
    Jan 15 at 12:50
  • @RabbiKaii (cntd) This website rejects Tanya and (also btw I think he rejects might reject the Zohar and kabbalah), and he makes some interesting points on the subject mesora.org/gentilesouls.html (rejecting distinctions between souls).
    – barlop
    Jan 15 at 12:51
  • Do you only want answers from single-soul models?
    – Rabbi Kaii
    Jan 15 at 12:52
  • @RabbiKaii no i'm fine with whatever model(various models!)! Whatever based on Jewish sources. Here's a related question judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/9371/… but it doesn't touch on the situation for converts. So if it is the case that Jews have two and gentiles one. Then is a convert born with two, or does he gain a second upon conversion.
    – barlop
    Jan 15 at 12:54


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