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When Shaul would scold his enemies e.g. the Plishtim, he would shout at them for “defying Israel” (as his men did in Shmuel 1:17:25), but David would shout at them for "defying God" (ibid 26).

I heard this in the name of Rav Kook.

Is there any discussion (especially in some sort of halachic sense) or criticism of Shaul for acting inappropriately by not mentioning Hashem? Other than Rav Kook

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  • וכל איביך מהרה יכרתו vs וכל אויבי עמך מהרה יכרתו
    – Heshy
    Commented Oct 17, 2023 at 23:35
  • @Rabbi_Kaii where do you see that Shaul would shout at them for "defying Israel" - as you write, that was his men?
    – Dov
    Commented Oct 18, 2023 at 7:22
  • @Dov I think the line of thinking follows Shmuel I 8 which implies the people wanted a King for more secular reasons and Hashem was being forsaken by the process. If you look at King Shaul, you'll see his leadership reflected this (focusing on establishing/securing the nation, leaving the Ark, ignoring Shmuel etc). Therefore it is not a surprise that his people spoke like that, and David's religious revival was hinted at in these pasukim. The case is too large to make in full, so I hope that's enough, otherwise feel free to just answer the same question about Shaul's men, and not Shaul himself
    – Rabbi Kaii
    Commented Oct 18, 2023 at 9:25
  • @Heshy in the pasuk, David accuses him of defying the armies of Hashem, which might map to your עמך. I notice this is to do with differences between nusach Sefard and Ashkenaz but I am unaware of any background to those differences. Could you help me understand your comment better?
    – Rabbi Kaii
    Commented Oct 23, 2023 at 23:44
  • Sorry I don't have any more info either, it was just the first thing I thought of seeing your question
    – Heshy
    Commented Oct 24, 2023 at 0:51

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