I understand nations have a kelipa attached to them, and, further, that these transfer over time (e.g. Russia is said to have the kelipot of both Greece and Edom).

What is the particular blend of kelipa unique to the U.S.? Does anyone have a source for this information?

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    Where did you read this?
    – Shmuel
    Oct 15, 2023 at 14:13
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    Curious. Seems to have arrived via Meta and Biblical Hermeneutics and sat quietly for 30 days without comments or questions. Caution is advised. Oct 15, 2023 at 18:05
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    Surely you've noticed that there are 50 states, and there are 50 gates. He who understands, understands. Oct 15, 2023 at 18:42
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    Kindness is the klipa here. Immoral behaviors are shrouded in tolerance and love yet if you speak against them then you are intolerant and must be wrong.
    – Dude
    Oct 15, 2023 at 21:57
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    I would have assumed (without being able to quote a mekor) that the ummos haolam are divided into the 70 nations. Today, identifying who is part of what umma is a bit difficult due to various mixing, but when we talk about ummos we shouldn't conflate them with modern countries. I.e. the people in America are not one umma mitzad halacha, but rather various ethnic groups within America belong to different ummos. I would assume that the distribution of klippos to various ummos follows this division into the 70 nations - not the 200+ modern countries.
    – malkizedek
    Oct 16, 2023 at 3:21

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Far be it for this Brit to criticise his favourite country after Israel: USA. Rather, this is something I heard from my American Rabbonim in Yeshiva, and have expanded slightly to fit with my own learning since.

They taught me that (and yes, it's a bit of a joke, but we all know Whose joke it is) America in Hebrew means "empty nation", אומה ריקה. What does that mean?

The answer is that they are the spiritual inheritors of Esav, whose klipa is the klipa of attraction to superficiality; the most basic function of the yeitzer hara (indeed Sar shel Esav is the same angel).

It's not that they are evil, not at all. It's just that Esav's way of approaching everything, even holiness, is to be superficial about it. In Chassidus, we learn this difference between Esav and Yaacov. Esav wanted to bring Moshiach quickly, by "sweeping all the dirt under the rug so the place looks clean". Yaacov said, you can't do that. The dirt is still there, on the inside, behind the superficial, where you can't see it, but the world is still unholy and the only way to make it holy is to take the time and hard work over millennia to make the world and it's inhabitants holy down to the essence.

Esav's ideological legacy is inherited by the West according to a few sources, and America is the center. In Torah, we say that the superficial is only there to serve the essential. We marry our spouse because of our spouse, not their looks. Once we are into the person, then, because they are important, everything about them becomes important as a result. Every hair on their head.

Esav's klipa (literally "peel", the most superficial part of the fruit), is that there may or may not be an "essential" side to things; an unseen depth that is the reality at the core, but their focus is on the superficial.

For example, a Torah true Jew will never find "fashion" interesting, it's so nakedly superficial, so the children of Israel have never put any importance into it at all, and in fact distance themselves from it to a large degree. Esav on the other hand is absolutely fine with it. If a person wants to make fashion mega important or even dedicate their whole life to it; power to them! he says. It's your right, it's a free country, there's nothing wrong with it, go nuts! Don't let anyone tell you that you can't be a good person because of that!

It's funny, because sometimes you can see the incoherence of this. Racism is an evil of the superficial: a person is judged by their superficial traits and that's considered absolute abhorrent! Why? Because it's superficial! A person is more than his skin colour, says Esav (as you can see, his klipa isn't opposed to goodness or Moshiach - is very much in favour actually)! However, without realising it, they will then take the victim of racism they just defended and the perpetrators they just educated and encourage them all to just go ahead and follow their heart and find one of the many "not evil" superficialities to make into their god. Become a movie star, or a collector of video games, or just settle for a nice house in a nice neighborhood and that's your whole life accomplished. #YOLO; be obsessed with external beauty, sex, parties, money, cars, vacations, superficial love and relationships, entertainment, tasty food, etc etc they say, just don't be racist or sexist! Those are superficial!

In Torah, we make the deep and the essential the main, and unashamedly define superficiality as "emptiness". It's the only way to fix the world. The body has a soul and it is more real than the body. The soul is delicate and sensitive and must be carefully focused on, in a very personal intimate way, to protect it and cultivate it. It can take a lot of time and effort and usually involves self regulation and denial, limited distractions by the superficialities of life; exposure to them in a controlled way after being raised to appreciate them in their correct context - which is never one that is simply following the heart.

Now, does this apply to America and the west? Well, it's too simple and narrow an explanation to account for the huge diversity of nations, states and individuals in this huge region, but perhaps we can see that there's more than a kernel of truth in it, in the bigger picture.

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    @larry909 אומה ריקה (sound it out). Now, make the same joke about Russia
    – Rabbi Kaii
    Oct 16, 2023 at 12:32
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    @mbloch thanks for the question. I didn't fully address it but I hinted. Of course, this is a very speculative answer, so in order to further the speculation, it seems that American culture and lifestyle flow downstream to much of the West. Also, America is the strongest western country and takes the lead in a lot of politics (e.g. NATO). There's so much to say, but I don't think it's too hard to accept USA as a "representative" of the west in a spiritual sense. Counter arguments would be welcome in a chat if anyone wishes to go further into it.
    – Rabbi Kaii
    Oct 16, 2023 at 14:02
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    If you really want to entertain this question, then remember that the United States had the two Presidents Bush 41 and his son 43. That was George miGeorge (גוג מגוג). See Ezekiel 38:2, 38:3 and 39:1 for details. It states explicitly what the klippot for that nation are: Meshech and Tuval. (משך ותבל) These two klippot are associated with sexual perversion and excessive greed. This was why the Scroll of Gog miGog was written in both Hebrew and English by the Nascent Sanhedrin many years ago and sent by Rabbi Steinzaltz to President Bush. Oct 16, 2023 at 17:13
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    @יהושעק Like is found in many traditional sources discussing this subject, there are 3 parts to the war of Gog MiGog. Like Rabbi Moshe Chaim Luzzato explains in Tikkunim Chadashim, the first part of that war would be characterized by the דם ואש ותימרות עשן (Blood, Fire-from the Sun & Date Palms of Smoke-Mushroom Clouds). That 1st stage was about Hiroshima & Nagasaki which also involved the United States. The 2nd stage was the Gulf Wars which also involved 9/11, the subject of Zohar, parshat Shemot 7a and parshat Balak 212b. Take note that all this is considered the "Days of Moshiach" in Torah. Oct 17, 2023 at 14:36
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    @יהושעק If you would like more detail concerning Hiroshima and Nagasaki from Joel 3:3, you might find search results for the term, "White Light/Black Rain" and Japan of interest. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Light/… Oct 17, 2023 at 14:41

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