There’s halacha that every Sofer who is writing a Torah must write it “based” on another Kosher Torah, by reading each word, saying it out loud from the other Torah, then writing it.

When it comes to the first physical Torah Moshe wrote, it makes sense to say that he read it based off of the spiritual Torah that was written with black fire on white fire since before the creation of the universe, but:

What was the *original * Torah (written with black fire on white fire) written from?

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    Ana Nafshis Ketovis Yehovis. Shabbat 105a
    – Rabbi Kaii
    Oct 9, 2023 at 21:05
  • As far as I remember, Reb Tzadok says that the black writing in the original Torah is a tzimtzum. I.e. the original Torah wasn't written, it was unwritten. I.e. the black fire is the tzimtzum that allows olam hazeh to exist. But relative to us it's a giluy, because it is our connection to ein sof.
    – The GRAPKE
    Oct 10, 2023 at 6:09
  • Do you realize that it is logically impossible for every Torah to be written from a prior one? One Torah must have been written a priori.
    – N.T.
    Oct 10, 2023 at 20:11
  • @N.T. the Torah existed since before the Universe. Are you aware that the universe was created from the Torah? Oct 10, 2023 at 21:37
  • @TheGRAPKE interesting. Does it say there which tzimtzum it refers to? Even before what people call “tzimtzum harishon” there were many tzimtzumim within the Ohr Ein Sof itself. In terms of the Sefiros what specifically is referred to by the black fire? If we knew that we can look In Chassidus and Kabbalah for how that level came to be etc. Oct 10, 2023 at 21:39


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