If a non-Jew [ex-Muslim] is working with the Beit Din for an Orthodox Conversion to Judaism, is he still considered to be a Noahide as he does not yet have a status of being Jewish?

  • With respect to what?
    – shmosel
    Jun 27, 2023 at 0:39
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    There is no conversion to "Noahide". Noahides are self-proclaimed. They simply state they obey the 7 Noahide laws. However, to be recognized by Judaism as such, they must make a declaration before 3 judges. See wikinoah.org/en/index.php/How_to_become_a_Noahite Jun 27, 2023 at 0:54
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    Sorry I mean conversion to Judaism not Noahidism. If a non-Jew is in the process of converting to Judaism are they still considered a Noahide?
    – Sujin
    Jun 27, 2023 at 0:59
  • Considered Noahide by Jews? Not automatically. See my link above. Jun 27, 2023 at 1:00
  • Yes, unless a person converts, they may be a Noahide.
    – Turk Hill
    Jun 27, 2023 at 1:19

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Even in the most extreme case of death, prior to completing conversion, the candidate remains a Gentile.

The candidate today could be called Gentile or Noahide. I distinguish the terms, as do a lot of Noahides, but I don't actually think it makes any difference in Jewish law about the term. I'm unsure a candidate for conversion would refer to himself distinctly as a Noahide, though that might be technically correct. Usually, the term is for people who are living as Noahides. If Gentile who has never heard of a Noahide went to a rabbi who has never met a Noahide and asks to convert, I doubt the term would come up at all. As unflattering as it might sound, until you are a 'yid,' you are still a 'goy.'

However, I suspect that if Jewish law has historically called people who were in the conversion process "Noahides," a lot more Jews would know what a Noahide was by now.

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