I received a שטר תנאים dating 100-130 years ago possibly from Poland, possibly England, written in Hebrew. There are no dates or locations on the document! The chatan and kallah are represented by each of their mothers and there is no mention of their fathers. I am unsure of whether their fathers were alive at the time of writing the shtar. If the fathers passed away (or were sent to war that could be an answer). However, I am specifically curious as to whether mothers representing their children on such a document would have been done lechatchila and why.

I asked a Rav who said that it is standard custom to write the fathers name on the shtar (perhaps that is more prevalent nowadays). The signing/writing of the shtar is now done at the engagement or wedding, not separately.

Could there be a reason for only the mothers representing their children on this shtar, assuming that the fathers were alive? I am unfamiliar with the customs of writing a שטר תנאים and don't know how the various customs developed and changed.

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    It might be helpful to post a scan or a picture of the shtar Commented May 31, 2023 at 9:30
  • Maybe their fathers weren't living?
    – Dude
    Commented May 31, 2023 at 10:41


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