Rashi on Bereshis 7:4 says:

ארבעים יום. כְּנֶגֶד יְצִירַת הַוָּלָד, שֶׁקִּלְקְלוּ לְהַטְרִיחַ לְיוֹצְרָם לָצוּר צוּרַת מַמְזֵרִים

Is Rashi implying that a human be created against Hashem's will? Was such a person not in the plan for the world initially? How do we reconcile this with the idea that Jews have some degree of hashkacha pratis?

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    Many things can be done against Hashem's will; that's the nature of free will. As to how that's compatible with hashgacha and Hashem's plan, that's a complicated question.
    – shmosel
    Commented Mar 28, 2023 at 22:02
  • @shmosel This seems a little bit more extreme than the average bechira case, because it sounds like you have a person who Hashem doesn't want to exist. It could be that's just a subset of bechira questions generally but I'm curious if it is discussed anywhere specifically.
    – ak0000
    Commented Mar 28, 2023 at 22:34
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    קלקלו הצורה. פירש"י בפי' החומש כביכול הטריחו להקב"ה לצור צורות ממזרים ואין לך קלקול צורה גדול מזה או ר"ל שצורת הולד נתקלקל באמה כגון שהיא מזנה סוף מ' יום ועי' סוף פרשת אחרי מות: (Matnot Kehuna on Br Rabbah 32:5)
    – rosends
    Commented Mar 28, 2023 at 23:10
  • @shmosel I don't think your wording here is quite right, I certainly understand what you mean, but it is impossible for anything to be done against Hashem's will. Hashem has the ultimate power to enforce his will, if there was anything he did not want to exist, it would not exist. Ultimately on the highest level, it is within Hashem's will, even if it is not what he prefers. Free will is Hashem's choice, and it is his will.
    – BID
    Commented Mar 29, 2023 at 4:52
  • The question rightly asked is far more severe. Since the implication of Rashi is that people can force Hashem's hand.
    – The GRAPKE
    Commented Mar 29, 2023 at 6:04

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My second question on MY contains a lot of relevance to this question. I did my own research and answered that question. I will base what I write here with those source and that conclusion so therefore I won't be re-quoting the sources.

It's a good question - how can anything go against Hashem's will? How can sin be even possible? This is a deep question that is asked in Jewish Hashkafa, and the answer I find the clearest comes from Chassidus.

Will has an inner and an outer aspect. It is my outer will that my children behave at all times and never fight, steal, break things, talk back etc. However, that's not my inner will. My inner will is that they become actually good on the inside and own that goodness themselves. So when raising them, I have two choices. Either I could always get my way, and nip any infraction in the bud immediately, create an atmosphere of intense, terrible discipline in my home and force them to engage in acts of goodness all day. In that scenario, I'd never have anything that I want violated at all (how pleasant that would be for me!). Yet, in that case I wouldn't get what I really want: good kids.

L'havdil this is similar to Hashem's relationship with us. Hashem has taken it to an amazing extreme: He has given us completely free reign to violate His will. His goal is to produce good people who own their good (see Derech Hashem 1:2:2) to the greatest degree possible.

Chassidus (as well as many other strands of thought) add that in the end, Hashem always gets what He wants - there is only One Will, and none other! We have the ability to mess up plenty, but Hashem tidies up after us along the way. Therefore while it is possible for us to produce a mamzer, Hashem will still make sure that in the end everything works out through hashgacha. Hashem's outer will may be violated, but His inner will is never violated, so everything that happens, even sins and evil, are always exactly what He wants in exactly the way He wants.

He didn't want one to have this mamzer (see the Rambam quoted in the linked answer), and didn't "predestine" it. But He did want us to have that choice, and when we made it He wanted us to experience the consequences, learn from it, partner with Him in creation and find the good in it. He did foresee it before creation and therefore arranged for the right soul to be in the right place at the right time, as well as a billion other details to ensure that everything still goes according to His inner will all along the way, and by the end of the project, He gets what He wants, what is best, what is good.

As I explained in that answer, does that mean we don't have to worry? On the contrary, expecting the supreme King of Kings of Kings to tidy up after us like a janitor; ruining the way things could have been had we stuck to His outer will; fill His and our story with unnecessary tragedy and terror due to our arrogance and selfishness - all of that is on us. This world is serious and real and forever and there's no going back. It's important, worth caring for infinitely, and Someone does indeed care for it infinitely. Facing the reality of that is going to be a very dreaded day indeed and we can only pray that Hashem will wipe away ours and His tears speedily.

  • Perhaps these words of the Sefer Hachinuch Mitzva 62 can help you... sefaria.org/Sefer_HaChinukh.62.3?lang=bi Commented Mar 29, 2023 at 15:45
  • @shayachagigah thanks for offering help. That's an amazing Sefer HaChinuch. Could you elaborate on what you are coming to help with and how it helps?
    – Rabbi Kaii
    Commented Mar 29, 2023 at 16:18
  • @RabbiKaii There might be an issue with the analogy of the children. A parent wants their child to grow up into a truly good person, but even if they don't the parent will be disappointed but still love them. With people violating G-d's will though, the consequences could be much more drastic - sins punishable by kares for example result (according to some views) in the annihilation of the soul. If the ultimate goal is to have someone own their good, the consequences of sins should be some corrective action towards that goal, not their destruction.
    – user9806
    Commented Mar 30, 2023 at 0:24
  • @user9806 I don't believe in annihilation of the soul, and there is support for not believing it. For those that do, I'm sure there is a point when a parent would indeed have to give up on a child, lo aleinu, if he has become a hopeless case of destruction to the rest of the kids? Finally, I am not presuming it is a perfect mashal, but it definitely helps illustrate the point no? Either way, thanks for reading it means a lot
    – Rabbi Kaii
    Commented Mar 30, 2023 at 7:42
  • @shayachagigah please could you elaborate I genuinely wish to know
    – Rabbi Kaii
    Commented Mar 30, 2023 at 23:59

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