A baal tefillah who forgets Yaaleh Viyavoh in his silent Shmoneh Esrei doesn't need to repeat Shmoneh Esrei, because he'll be yotzei with Chazaras HaShatz.

If an individual forgets Yaaleh ViYavoh in Shmoneh Esrei at Shacharis and remembers in the middle of Sim Shalom, he has to go back to Retzei and continue from there.

What if a Baal Tefillah forgets Yaaleh ViYavoh in Shmoneh Esrei on Rosh Chodesh and remembers in the middle of Sim Shalom? His options are:

  • Finish Shmoneh Esrei as is, but that might be improper because the silent Shmoneh Esrei he's in the middle of is invalid due to the omitted Yaaleh ViYavoh, and finishing might be a bracha livatala.
  • Go back to Retzei, but that might be a Bracha Livatala because really he doesn't need to fix this Shmoneh Esrei, being that he has Chazaras HaShatz to rely on.

What should a Baal Tefillah do in this instance?

  • Why doesn't he need to fix this shemone esrei? I don't understand. He needs to fix it so much that if he doesn't he has to say a whole nother one.
    – Double AA
    Commented Dec 4, 2022 at 15:26
  • A baal tefillah will be yotzei his shmoneh esrei with chazaras hashatz, so he doesn't need to fix this shmoneh esrei in order to be yotzei @DoubleAA
    – Michael
    Commented Dec 4, 2022 at 16:08
  • By your logic he doesn't need to even say a first shemone esrei at all...
    – Double AA
    Commented Dec 4, 2022 at 17:23
  • @DoubleAA By that logic he should never have to daven a silent Shmoneh Esrei, and yet we know that's not true. When he davens a shmoneh esrei on Rosh Chodesh without Yaaleh Viyavoh that shmoneh esrei is invalid, and as a bidieved we let the chazaras hashatz work
    – Michael
    Commented Dec 4, 2022 at 17:50
  • Ok, so since we know he's supposed to say a first shemone esrei, and I think you'll agree he's supposed to say it correctly, then we're back to my first comment.
    – Double AA
    Commented Dec 4, 2022 at 17:52

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In the Dirshu Mishnah Berura they bring the Tehilla L’Dovid 126:4 that says the chazzan stops in the middle of the quiet Shemona Esrei and doesn’t finish, since he relies on the repetition.

The Biur Halacha in 124:10 seems to agree with this, as he says in a case of someone who is going to be yotzei with the chazzan, he should stop in middle of Shemona Esrei and not finish:

ובכה"ג לכאורה מפסיק מיד ואינו גומר תפלתו כיון דרצונו לצאת בשמיעה מהש"ץ ממילא מה שגומר תפלתו הוי ברכה לבטלה.

  • This is talking about going back to the beginning not going back one bracha to retze!!!! The level of tircha is not at all comparable, and there he has nothing half done to finish since he's effectively starting over.
    – Double AA
    Commented Dec 5, 2022 at 13:15
  • The beiur halacha is talking about a case where you can't go back (due to a 'minhag' to ignore the rule that you must go back), so you can't prove to our case where you can.
    – Double AA
    Commented Dec 5, 2022 at 14:21

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