If someone is giving Shiur in the same room as people Davening, do the people learning answer Baruch Hu Uvaruch Shemo and Amen to the Hazarat HaShatz?


Answering to the Shaliach Tzibur is a sign of loyalty to Hashem and the Klal. You affirm that what they are saying is true, and that what they are doing is valid. You even attach yourself to their prayers, benefiting both you and the people praying.

By not responding, you are in effect saying that really you don't care about the klal, and only care about yourself.

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    I'm pretty sure the question asked about a shiur. That seems to imply a group of people of its own, not just one's self. Why is one tzibbur better than the other? – Double AA Jan 4 '12 at 14:18
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    Isn't Talmud Torah a sign of loyalty to Hashem also? – Double AA Jan 4 '12 at 14:22
  • Talmud Torah is not a sign of loyalty to Hashem. It is the means to learn how to serve Hashem but serves no other purpose. As for competing Tziburs, I see no competition. It takes no thought, and few moments to say "amen" to a bracha. But all the self absorption in the world to not say it. – avi Jan 4 '12 at 16:28
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    Do you even have any sources to back you up before you start calling Rav Shlomo Zalman Aurbach self absorbed? You haven't quoted one in your answer. – Double AA Jan 4 '12 at 17:24
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    @avi Also, what do you mean 'it serves no other purpose'? Are you telling me that you think Talmud Torah is just a means of learning halacha (in the sense of 'way to act')? Would such a rule really be Keneged Kullam? What do you make of the notion of Torah LishmaH? What do you make of the gemara Menachot 99b that you have to keep learning even if you know all of Torah? Clearly there's more to Talmud Torah than preparing yourself with the halachot. It is an avoda of its own. – Double AA Jan 5 '12 at 0:51

Shouldn't be necessary. Better to focus on Talmud Torah.



For those who can't listen to the shiur, you should know that Rav Shlomo Zalman Aurbach rules in Halichot Shelomo 9:6 that one does not even need to stop to answer kaddish or kedusha when learning by oneself, let alone when participating in a shiur!

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    And when you come out of a cave after learning, be sure to use lazer beam eyes on anyone farming. – avi Jan 4 '12 at 6:23
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    @avi Are you implying that avoiding distractions while studying is bad? – Double AA Jan 4 '12 at 14:27
  • I heard the Shiur, and it is a Mahloket Sefard and Ashkenaz. – Hacham Gabriel Jan 4 '12 at 15:22
  • If praising hashem is a "distraction" from your learning, then you have other issues. But if you want to avoid distractions, don't learn in a place where people pray! – avi Jan 4 '12 at 16:26
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    @avi You most certainly do not! Someone who is learning is patur from tefillah and possibly even kriat shema according to the gemara. Rebbi Yehuda HaNassi would say an abridged form of kriat shema during his shiur to avoid stopping shiur. In shamayim, they ask you about kavata ittim letorah not letefillah. The gemara in megillah says that a beit midrash has more kedusha than a beit kenesset. The shulchan aruch only mentions davening with the tzibbur to avoid looking like a poresh in the context of the first pasuk of kriat shema only. Talmud Torah is avoda too you know. Lakol zeman ve'eit... – Double AA Jan 4 '12 at 16:35

I once asked a Rov regarding the Halacha of what to do in 770. There is one official Shacharis/Mincha/Maariv minyan ("the main minyan") and there are also side minyanim taking place under the Woman's section throughout the day. Between the "side" minyanim and the "main" Beis Medrash are mechitzos to avoid this issue

However, there are times when people (inappropriately) make their minyan in the "main" Beis Medrash.

My question to him was if I have to answer Amen/Barchu/Kdusha. He said that one really should if possible.

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You would have to answer (see Ateret Paz 1:3: Hoshen Mishpat:14:1).

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  • Harry disputes your interpretation of your source. – Seth J Jan 29 '16 at 2:16

I just looked up the Ateret Paz which Hacham Gabriel cited and he does not say that you have to answer. He brings a citation from Salmat Chaim who ultimately rules that you don't have to answer.

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