In the famous argument about Tanuro Shel Akhnai (Bava Metzia.59b) R' Eliezer claims to faithfully represent the Heavenly tradition and he's supported by the Heaven. Neither R' Yehoshua, nor God admits that R' Yehoshua's approach is traditional as the Gemmorah testifies:

"בההיא שעתא א"ל קא חייך ואמר נצחוני בני נצחוני בני"
"The Holy One, Blessed be He, smiled and said: My children have triumphed over Me;"

From the fact that God did not respond in the manner He resolved the dispute between the school of Hillel and the school of Shammai: "Both are the words of the living God", I understand that in God's eyes Rabbinic ruling was NOT traditional, in other words, there was no such custom coming down from Moses.

On the other hand, the fact that R"Y did not simply evoke the majority rule but opposed the "Heavenly assertion of R"E's truth" points to his objection to the very approach of following the divine teachings, which I understand as "the tradition".

Do our sources discuss the phenomenon, that when the "Not in Heaven" approach was accepted as a legitimate Halachic approach, the chain of the Mosaic tradition(s) was broken?

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    Why do you think R Eliezer had a tradition? Maybe he simply had the best logical argument, such that G-d himself agreed with it?
    – Joel K
    May 26, 2022 at 12:25
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    Why do you say it makes it worse? No one had a tradition about this specific case. They are attempting to draw conclusions about a new situation. Halacha kemoso bechol makom - "he's the sharpest tool in the shed, always comes to the correct conclusion"
    – Joel K
    May 26, 2022 at 12:50
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    "R' Eliezer claims to faithfully represent the Heavenly tradition and he's supported by the Heaven. " Where does R. Eliezer claim to represent "the Heavenly tradition"? He claims that the law should accord with his opinion and even heaven would agree with him. I do not see any invocation of a tradition, heavenly or otherwise. It seems to me that this question is unanswerable as it is built upon a false premise. May 26, 2022 at 16:02
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    “He taught that to Moses etc ...” this is your key assumption. But you have not justified it
    – Joel K
    May 26, 2022 at 17:08
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    no it does not b/c our tradition sets out how Halacha is decided. Furthermore, this tradition was given to us by G-d. The statement my children have triumphed over me is a celebration by Hashem that his children have kept to this tradition of how Halacha must be decided.
    – Dude
    May 26, 2022 at 17:42


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