My daughter goes to a chabad school (nusach ari?) and has been taught in class that וּכְתַבְתָּ֛ם in the shema (end of first paragraph) is with a shvah na on the כְ. She also says it has the asterisk ontop of the chaf in her siddur.

However, I have only seen it in the siddurim (ashkenaz) with a shva nach (silent).

Is there a difference with this pronunciation between the different nusachot?


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Short answer (as JoelK noted, see this one for more) -- disagreement among grammarians about cases like this. Listen to your favorite baal kriah read Exodus 7:29, about the frogs:

וּבְכָה וּבְעַמְּךָ, וּבְכָל-עֲבָדֶיךָ

All three of those "vet"s are in that same gray zone.

As it was taught to me -- you can't start a word with two sh'vas, as you'd have a conflict between "first letter is always na" and "two sh'vas together? Second is na" So "v'b'cha" became "uvcha." However it would have been "b'cha", so some retain the na.


The problem is based on the problem of whether the vav-hachibur that is marked with a shuruk and pronounced like "oo" in look is really a kubutz or a shuruk. Since kubutz is (according to R' Eliyahu Bachur) 'A movement between a shuruk and a chirik' and a t'nuaa k'tana (small movement) the rule will apply that if it's not emphasised a sh'va after it will be nach, and vise versa with a t'nua g'dola like shuruk, where it will be na. The general consensus though is that the vav-hachibur shuruk is a shuruk, so, unless the vav itself is emphasised, the sh'va after it will be na and not nach.

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    Welcome to Mi Yodea! Since we don't know who any individual user is, we prefer to have posts with sources. Do you have a source for the general consensus? And what do you mean about an emphasised shuruk giving a nach?
    – magicker72
    Commented Apr 21, 2021 at 1:17
  • @magicker72 the general consensus by Melamdim (teachers of young children). I also recall reading in Otzar Hachochma a book that deals with the sugia but I cannot recall which. But I'm certain that I'm citing correctly. Commented Apr 21, 2021 at 1:24
  • @magicker72 emphasised being that it has a Maarich on the letter. Commented Apr 21, 2021 at 1:25
  • It would be great if you could find that source again and edit it into your answer, so others can verify your claims.
    – magicker72
    Commented Apr 21, 2021 at 9:50

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