I asked this question in a comment to another question's answer, but I wanted to ask it explicitly:

It has been stated that :

[...] it has been pointed out in Rishonim [...] that some sins are so bad they can't get a punishment - because the punishment creates forgiveness, but when the sin is too great, forgiveness is not an option.

If so, what happens to the one who commits such a sin?

Is he punished in the afterlife instead of by humans in this world? But that would also be a punishment/kaparah and hence affect forgiveness. Or is he not punished anywhere (this world or the next world)? That doesn't make sense as well - since then he gets off scot free.

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The Derech Hashem states quite clearly that those whom are too evil to get cleansed through punishment are rewarded in this world for any good they may have done and are completely removed from existence after death.

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    – mbloch
    Jan 15, 2020 at 4:02

I believe that God can punish with no forgiveness, so possibly those "too sinful to get punished (by humans)", can still be punished by God, with no forgiveness.

few examples:

ישעיהו סו כד

יָצְא֣וּ וְרָא֔וּ בְּפִגְרֵי֙ הָאֲנָשִׁ֔ים הַפֹּשְׁעִ֖ים בִּ֑י כִּ֣י תוֹלַעְתָּ֞ם לֹ֣א תָמ֗וּת וְאִשָּׁם֙ לֹ֣א תִכְבֶּ֔ה וְהָי֥וּ דֵרָא֖וֹן לְכָל־בָּשָֽׂר׃

Ishaia 66:24

They shall go out and gaze On the corpses of the men who rebelled against Me: Their worms shall not die, Nor their fire be quenched; They shall be a horror To all flesh.

משנה סנהדרין י ב

שלשה מלכים וארבעה הדיוטות אין להם חלק לעולם הבא.

שלשה מלכים, ירבעם, אחאב, ומנשה. ... ארבעה הדיוטות, בלעם, ודואג, ואחיתופל, וגחזי.

Mishna Sanhedrin 10:2

Three kings and for commoners has no part to the world-to-come
Three kings : Yeravam Ahab and Menashe...
Four commoners: Bilam ,Doeg, Achitofel And Gehazi

And we know that Bilam , for example still suffers (together with Jesus and Titus):

גיטיו נו ב: - נז א

אסקיה לבלעם בנגידא ...א"ל דיניה דההוא גברא במאי א"ל בשכבת זרע רותחת

Gitin 56:b-57:a

[Aunkelus] raised Bilam with necromancy... asked him, what is your punishment? he replayed [being boiled] with hot semen

  • The quote in my question stated - "some sins are so bad they can't get a punishment". But in the cases you cite they are receiving punishment (whether with forgiveness or without).
    – user9806
    Dec 15, 2019 at 8:13
  • @user9806 "some sins are so bad they can't get a punishment" - you meant by humans - like in the case you brought from whoever practice Molech worship. I showed that it's possible to be punished in the after life with no forgiveness. I will edit my answer to make it more clear. Dec 15, 2019 at 8:17
  • Ok, but also it does not follow from the quotes your bring that there is no forgiveness. All they show is that the punishment is very long.
    – user9806
    Dec 15, 2019 at 18:42
  • What do you mean "Bilam" "together with" Jesus?
    – SolaGratia
    Dec 15, 2019 at 18:54
  • @SolaGratia Judaism condemns Jesus as a heretic. Dec 16, 2019 at 8:01

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