Following the question "can-a-rapist-in-the-field-be-executed",

In our Parasha, Ki Tetze (Deut 22:22-27), the Torah lists several cases of illicit relations, most of which end in the stoning. The formula is simple: "if one does X and the woman does Y then he/they are dead".

The Gemmorah learns from that Posuk that a warning is obligatory for [all] capital punishments. However, it is not mentioned in those passages.

I couldn't find anything in Rambam, but interestingly Ramban proposes that there's no warning, a woman is "implied" to act in a certain way and therefore is stoned:

"אבל ענין הכתוב כי כאשר נראה שהאיש אוחז בה ושוכב עמה נדון האשה כמתרצה בעבור שהיתה יכולה להושע ממנו"

"ולא ידעתי בדין הצעקה אם ראינו נערה שהחזיק בה האיש והיא נלחמת בו בכל כחה ובוכה ואוחזת בבגדיו או בשערותיו להמלט ממנו ולא ידעה לצעוק למה תסקל אלא גם הצעקה בהווה לדון בה מן הסתם בעיר מפותה ובשדה אנוסה: "

So the question is: in illicit relations, does a woman need warning just as a man, or not? Because ממא נפשך:

  1. If yes, the Torah's explanations and stipulations ibid are irrelevant (whether she yelled or not and whether we suspect that she enjoyed it or not).

  2. If not, we hold that the Torah equaled women to men for all transgressions, and that seems very unfair to stone a woman that's likely to be mistaken or forced.

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    Danny's answer applies equally well here - she could be a chaveirah – Heshy Sep 11 at 13:05
  • I'm probably reiterating DoubleAA's point, but, knowing that individual verses (out of context) sound like circumstantial evidence works, and knowing that Torah Shebaal Peh still applies the general rule requiring witnesses and warning, and knowing that we don't distinguish between men and women regarding these matters, where is there any actual basis for a question here? – Loewian Sep 11 at 13:24
  • @Loewian see #1 - what the Torah says is irrelevant if there's a warning. See Ramban in place. – Al Berko Sep 11 at 13:26
  • @DoubleAA I ask about the rule, not exceptions. – Al Berko Sep 11 at 13:27
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    So perhaps it might be clearer if you reframed the question focusing just on that - e.g.: why does the peshuto shel mikra present circumstantial evidence if the halacha is based on witnesses and warning. – Loewian Sep 11 at 13:32

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