I haven't learned Seder Kodshim before, and I understand there's no Talmud Yerushalmi on Seder Kodshim, but I saw in a bunch of places in maseches Temurah where Rashi quotes "loshon Yerushalmi" (search לשון ירושלמי on Sefaria, turned up ten instances in Temurah). It's always a different version of the gemarra than what appears in the Bavli.

Is this referring to the Talmud Yerushalmi? How did Rashi have a Yerushalmi on Kodshim, and we don't? Or is it just a different girsa in the Bavli that originated from Jerusalem? Or something else?

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    From what I recall reading, it's accepted that there was at some point a (legitimate) Yerushalmi Kodshim, but it was lost at some point. Many Rishonim apparently quote/reference it. Commented Jul 31, 2019 at 0:16
  • @Salmon there is a theory like that but it's hardly accepted
    – Double AA
    Commented Jul 31, 2019 at 0:24
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    Prof. Epstein explains in ‘ML Ha’amoraim’ (p. 137) that this was a later Jeru. recension of Tem. which retained stylistic differences than others. His student, Eliezer S. Rosenthal, agrees with him (save for a reading in Shitah Mekubezet which might corroborate the general theory; cf. Rosenthal p. 320).
    – Oliver
    Commented Jul 31, 2019 at 14:53

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Artscroll [Teumrah 6b footnote 12 the last paragraph] quotes a Doros HaRishonim who conjectures, that ..

"in the case of Temurah, there existed two types of manuscripts, those that originated from Babylonia and those that originated from Eretz Yisroel. Not knowing which was the authentic version, scribes who encountered two versions recorded both, and labeled one לישנא אחרינא, another version. Rashi [on 6b] states that there is no substantive difference between the two versions (in that particular gemara). It is just that one originated from Eretz Yisroel manuscript ("Yerushalmi") and the other from Babylonian manuscript ("Bavli")."

  • I'd have to see the Doros HaRishonim inside, but Rashi to Temurah 6b isn't conclusive. He just says this loshon is Yerushalmi and this loshon is Bavli; no indication of their essence
    – robev
    Commented Jul 31, 2019 at 0:38
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    @robev - I don't have access to Doros HaRishonim Vol. 6 right now, but if I get it I"ll try to post a copy. Commented Jul 31, 2019 at 0:50
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    Interesting that Artscroll would quote Weiss in DH instead of the more “accepted” Maharaz Chajes who says the same (§2, left column).
    – Oliver
    Commented Jul 31, 2019 at 14:56
  • @Oliver, דורות הראשונים isn't from Weiss, but from R. Isaac Halevi. The link is beta.hebrewbooks.org/reader/reader.aspx?sfid=20282#p=54.
    – Meir
    Commented Jul 31, 2019 at 17:08
  • @Meir Correct, I hastily misspoke. HaLevi’s opinion is also discussed by Rosenthal which I cited.
    – Oliver
    Commented Jul 31, 2019 at 17:13

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