What is one supposed to do on Seder night if he has no wine (nor chamar medinah if that’s relevant) at all?

On a regular Friday night one would make kiddush on bread under these circumstances (Shulchan Aruch Orach Chayyim 272:9) but on Seder night one is supposed to eat karpas and say the haggadah before eating matzah.

So what does one do? Make kiddush on matzah right at the start of the seder? Defer kiddush until after maggid? Some other solution?

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Shulchan Arukh OC 483

מי שאין לו יין בליל פסח מקדש על הפת שמברך המוציא ובוצע ומניח ידיו עליו עד שגומר הקידוש ומברך על אכילת מצה ואוכל ואחר כך אוכל שאר ירקות ומסלק השלחן ואומר מה נשתנה וכל ההגדה עד גאל ישראל ומברך על המרור ואוכל ואחר כך כורך מצה ומרור ואוכל.

One who doesn't have wine on Pesach night [takes the Matza, says Hamotzi, splits it, says Kiddush on it] and blesses על אכילת מצה and eats it and then eats [Karpas] and then removes the table and says [Maggid] and then [Maror] and then [Korekh]

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    That's Rochtza Motzi Yachatz Kaddesh Matza Karpas Maggid Urchatz Maror Korekh Shulchan-Orekh Tzafun Barekh Hallel
    – Double AA
    Jun 20, 2019 at 14:59
  • Although note Magen Avraham that for those with the practice of using three matzot, Yachatz should precede Motzi.
    – Joel K
    Jun 20, 2019 at 15:17
  • @Joel yes, though the Magen Avraham isn't so compelling because why would the Rif have insisted you keep two full ones for Hamotzi if he doesn't need Lechem Mishneh? there are also a handful of other options in rishonim for how to order things.
    – Double AA
    Jun 20, 2019 at 15:38
  • I think Rif means you start with one and a half, make hamotzi, break the half further and then say kiddush and al achilat matzah. See Bach and Pri Megadim
    – Joel K
    Jun 20, 2019 at 18:25
  • @JoelK if so then those who use two and half would still break the half further after motzi, since when you break the half further is not tied to the 1.5/2.5 dispute
    – Double AA
    Jun 20, 2019 at 18:31

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