Within This article that focuses mainly on the bracha made on pizza, it mentions that most poskim state that when one eats pat haba bekisnin as a meal, one says Hamotzi.

Friday night meal requires lechem Mishnah (two "rolls"). Does it specifically require "bread" (something that is definitely hamotzi at all times) or may one use pat haba bekisnin as well?


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The psak of Shemiras Shabbos KeHilchoso: If one is kovei'a the meal on pas habo'oh bekisnin, for example, cake, then one can use two full cakes for lechem mishneh.

שמירת שבת כהלכתה פרק נה סעיף טז: הקובע סעודה על פת הבאה בכיסנין דהיינו עוגה יכול הוא לקחת שתי עוגות שלמות ללחם-משנה ולבצוע עליהן


din.org.il was posed a related question (in Hebrew) titled: "Kiddush on Shabbos on Pas Haba B'kisnin"

  • The question:

In a pressing situation if there isn't wine or bread, is one allowed to make kiddush on pas ha ba b'kisnin?

  • din.org.il's answer:

בדיעבד אפשר לקדש גם על פת הבאה בכיסנין – עוגה, ואף אם לא יקבע עליה סעודה נראה שאינו מעכב.

B'dieved one could make kiddush on Pas Haba B'kisnin- cake, and even if one doesn't isn't kovea a meal on it it would appear that it doesn't prevent [one from fulfilling their obligation]

The sources cited for this ruling are:

שמירת שבת כהלכתה פרק נג סעיף ז, ומקורו בשו”ת יביע אומר ח”ג סי’ יט ושו”ת רבבות אפרים ח”א סי’ רא, וראה שש”כ שם סעי’ יח שטוב לקבוע סעודתו על העוגה באופן זה, אבל אינו מעכב.

Shmirat Shabbat K'Hilchasa perek 53 si'if 7, Shu"t Yabia Omer cheilek 3 siman 19, Shu"t Rivivos Ephraim cheilek 1 siman 201, and see there written in siman 18 that "it's good to kovea one's meal in this manner and it doesn't hold one back

Application of this ruling to Lechem Mishnah

One could perhaps extend din.org.il's ruling to your question.
If one is able to fulfill their Kiddush obligation-- which many believe is on a d'oraisa level (Rambam, Hilchos Shabbos 29:1, see also Mishnah Berurah 271:2)-- via the use of pas haba b'kisnin,
all the more so the obligation for Lechem Mishnah-- which virtually everyone says is d'rabanan (besides the Taz OC 678:2 -- but even his opinion can mean d'rabanan- see here)-- can be fulfilled with pas haba b'kisnin.

  • Your logic doesn't follow at all. Kiddush Deorayta can be fulfilled without any food. Lechem mishna is a rule about food. It's also predicated on the assumption that whether one can use pat HaBa BeKisnin has to do with how strict an obligation you are trying to fulfill. I don't understand why that would be.
    – Double AA
    Commented Jun 12, 2019 at 15:12

I once asked my Rebbe about making Hamotzi on Friday night on a substantial amount of Cheerios (also Pas Haba Bekisnin). I was told specifically not to - not that it’s better not to, but that I shouldn’t do it at all. He did not give a reason.

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    parsha.blogspot.com/2006/07/… but anyway it's not obvious that Cheerios has תוריתא דנהמא to ever be able to say Hamotzi
    – Double AA
    Commented May 9, 2019 at 22:01
  • This answer would be much more valuable to others if it would include your Rebbe's name
    – msh210
    Commented May 11, 2019 at 20:24
  • Why do you think that Cheerios are Pas Haba Bekisnin? Because they look like mini-bagels?? Commented Jun 13, 2019 at 12:11
  • @DannySchoemann Why shouldn’t they be Pas Haba Bekisnin? They fit the third definition in SA OC 168:7.
    – DonielF
    Commented Jun 13, 2019 at 12:59

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