Can a long path of the Orthodox conversion be circumvented by the following procedure*?

  1. Enslaving a Gentile person by buying from him/herself

  2. Dipping him/her in a Mikve before a Beis Din for the purpose of Slavery (circumcizing a male of course)

  3. Using him/her a bit

  4. Freeing him/her.

*seemingly (acc to Shu"A Yo"D) the Slavery is not fully abolished nowadays

NB: This question was asked originally by @Clint here 5 years ago, but was closed as it included another question.

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    How does this circumvent the long path?
    – Double AA
    Commented May 8, 2019 at 12:45
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    Milah and Tevillah for a Ger can be done in less time than that. You've just added steps.
    – Double AA
    Commented May 8, 2019 at 12:49
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    What do you mean long path to conversion. That a recognized beis din won't do it right away? Won't the same beis din not comply with this new method?
    – robev
    Commented May 8, 2019 at 12:50
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    does the automatic (at least partial) conversion of a slave include teaching mitzvos?
    – rosends
    Commented May 8, 2019 at 12:53
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    This should work for Shamayim, but if you'd like to speed things up, the Shulchan Aruch procedure of brit milah + mikvah +kosher beit din of 3 layman shomer shabbat witnesses would be even quicker. And you'd probably have an easier time convincing the rabbinical authority of your choice that conversion was kosher than that you had made someone your halachically valid slave for a day Commented May 8, 2019 at 19:44

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Wasn't that done when either of the Temples stood? Would the existence of a Temple be required? Also, that would make the process very fast and not allow the ger enough time to learn much. That, in turn, could lead to the ger--now "legitimately" a Jew--to say things that s/he honestly believes are correct but in reality may go against halachah and, thus, put him/her at risk of causing another Jew to sin--which, I believe, is a sin in of itself.

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    Welcome to Mi Yodeya! Could you possibly edit in some sources for your assertions? That could greatly improve the quality of this answer.
    – DonielF
    Commented Aug 2, 2019 at 14:33
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    – mbloch
    Commented Aug 2, 2019 at 14:49

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