In this exposition of what kares means, the following view is quoted:

[...] R. Yosef Kafach (Mishneh Torah, Hilkhos Teshuvah ch. 8 n. 4) offers a different interpretation. He suggests that the Rambam’s view is that kares is an eternal suffering of the soul.

Several questions regarding that:

  1. Eternal suffering means it lasts an infinite amount of time. A billion, trillion to the trillionth power, 10^number of atoms in the universe...any finite number is as actual 0 compared to infinity. So according to this view, this would be a completely disproportionate punishment compared to all the other views (e.g., dying young or even losing share in olam haba or even destruction of the soul). Unlike any of those, this punishment and suffering would just never ever stop. Could that really be what was meant and is it compatible with Judaism's conception of Divine mercy (even for the most heinous crimes)?

  2. This punishment is much greater than just being executed by the court. Execution by the court is a relatively quick demise and grants atonement, and enables the person to retain his olam haba. Kares on the other hand, potentially (according to some views) makes one lose a share in olam haba or have his soul be destroyed entirely, or (according to this view) subjects the soul to eternal suffering.

    How can that be, since kares is generally thought of as a lesser punishment than execution by the court. For example it appears lower in the order of Rambam's eight levels of punishment (see here and other answers there too). Also, often kares is given for the very same sins as execution by the court, except when a technicality (like witnesses) was missing. Surely the absence of witnesses shouldn't make the crime more heinous, and to the degree that the punishment would be so much more severe than just execution?

So what's going on here? Is kares a lower [or even basically equal] form of punishment than execution by the court, or is it, counter-intuitively, a much higher one (perhaps infinitely so)?

  • As I always point out, motivational statements should not be seen as factual. Many of Rambam's statements (esp in R' Kapach's view) are purely motivational, trying to distant a person from sinning and not focusing on their factual truth. This approach is very popular with all Teshuva movements, allowing them to lie (not tell the whole truth) in order to cause people to improve their behavior.
    – Al Berko
    Mar 12, 2019 at 7:32
  • Also in my personal view, No statement should be accepted as a fact until it's truthfulness is properly discussed and researched by the person himself.
    – Al Berko
    Mar 12, 2019 at 7:35
  • @Al Berko: Isn't using hyperboles and just straight out lying kind of sad, though? Especially when it comes to sins. 'Eternal punishment/suffering/destruction'. It sounds a bit too harsh. Even for the sake of bettering a persons traits, affiliations and actions.
    – user16556
    Mar 12, 2019 at 9:51
  • @Anonymous It depends, sometimes we hold that "עת לעשות לה'" for example the Gm says "משנים מפני דרכי שלום". I worked for one such organization and know that they specifically asked many Rabbis for a "permit" to lie. But, as I said, maybe for the Rabbis it's צו השעה?
    – Al Berko
    Mar 12, 2019 at 11:30
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    Is this any more troubling than a single good deed meriting you infinite reward? How do finite actions have infinite consequences
    – Double AA
    Mar 12, 2019 at 13:11


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