We are expecting to have our first baby and my husband really likes the name Theodor (after Theodor Herzl) but I read it is not a Jewish name (it is Greek). Is it appropriate to name a child after a Jew when the name originates from another culture?
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2Welcome to MY! As it stands, your question seems a bit personal. Perhaps you could edit your question to address this? (Perhaps "is it appropriate to name a child after a Jew when the name originates from another culture?") Hope you enjoy your stay!– DonielFCommented May 21, 2017 at 15:43
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2Do note that Alexander is a popular Jewish name that dates back to the times of the second Temple, originally after Alexander the Great.– DonielFCommented May 21, 2017 at 15:44
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2Possible dupe: judaism.stackexchange.com/q/78/8775, judaism.stackexchange.com/q/45248/8775. Also arguably related: judaism.stackexchange.com/q/73/8775.– mevaqeshCommented May 21, 2017 at 15:45
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Why not let him be Theodore in English, but Benyamin Ze'ev in Hebrew? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodor_Herzl– rosendsCommented May 21, 2017 at 15:55
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1Ivanka trumps son is named theodore so i guess then its a Jewish name– AviCommented May 21, 2017 at 20:30
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There is a rare Jewish name טודרוס Todros derived from the greek name Theodoros meaning a gift of G-d. More often people use a Hebrew equivalent נתנאל - Netanel / Nathaniel.
Many great Jewish names have non-Jewish roots.
Moshe was given a non-Jewish name by his adopted Egyptian parents. (I know plenty of people will get upset at me for making a claim based on scientific evidence and not halachic evidence, but Moshe is actually a common ancient Egyptian name - we have archaeological evidence of many people with that name).
Avraham was named by his non-Jewish parents, and since there were no Jews around at the time, it seems impossible for this to have been a Jewish name.
Shifra was trusted by Pharaoh because she has an Egyptian name.
Tzipora (Moshe's wife) was Midianite.
Hadassah tried to hide her Jewish identity by taking on the more locally acceptable name of Esther.
Yael - Technically there's a Machloket on whether or not she was Jewish, and the possibility that the name's origins are non-Jewish and that doesn't seem to bother anyone. (Seventh most popular Jewish girl's name in Israel according to JPost)
Naamah was a descendant of Cain
Many last names that we think of as stereotypically Jewish are actually just common surnames. See this article for a good rundown of where many common Jewish surnames come from. Many of them have secular origins derived from the surrounding culture.
We sometimes adopt names from local culture and if we use it long enough, it becomes Jewish in people's minds. What counts as "Jewish" name comes and goes based on the environment, language, and culture. Adolf was once a Jewish name. So was Ishmael.
In summary, name your kid whatever you want and don't worry about what other people think. B'sha'a tova.
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3Shouldn't your summary be: "don't worry if a Jewish name appears to have non-Jewish roots"? Because that's what you seem to show here. Not "name your kid whatever you want and don't worry about what other people think"– Double AA ♦Commented May 22, 2017 at 17:42
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2All but the last three were from before the giving of the Torah, when everyone was a non-Jew (at least according to some). Commented May 22, 2017 at 18:23
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@ShmuelBrin Even if there as no Torah, it seems obvious from both Pshat and various commentaries and midrashim that there was a unique culture. That's why for example I didn't include Miriam and Aharon in the list. Names are a product of culture. (And in the case of the Jews in Egypt, one that is specifically called out as a piece of their culture they kept). Commented May 23, 2017 at 1:59
It seems to me that the medrashim praising the Jews for their use of Jewish names should make one wonder what constitutes a Jewish name and why the use of Jewish names is praiseworthy; among the Biblical generations the concept seems less obvious than it is for us.
Perhaps a name is Jewish because it makes it's bearer recognizable as a Jew, or because it expresses a Jewish worldview (such as by praising G-d). Perhaps this is praiseworthy because of some practical consequence of these qualities: discouraging assimilation, making Jews feel the weight of our other praiseworthy (or disgraceful) behavior, or simply helping Jews find one another.
It seems to me that the name Theodor might "read" as Jewish because of Hertzl, and that a somewhat corresponding Hebrew name like Nassaniel/Nathaniel (which, like Theodor, means "G-d has given") would do so even more strongly. (Other possible references to Hertzl would include Binyomin Ze'ev, Hertzl's Hebrew name, which rosends suggested; and Hershel or Hirsh, perhaps related to Hertzl in etymology.)
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Hertzl is dim. of G. Hertz, heart. Hershel is dim of G. Hirsch, deer Commented May 5, 2021 at 14:29
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@Nissim Nanach I think that Hertz is not heart, the internal organ, but hart, the male deer. This is a cognate of the names Hershel or Hirsch.– ChaimCommented May 5, 2021 at 17:03
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Then what's heart in Yiddish? Isn't it harts, with dim. hertzl? cs.uky.edu/~raphael/yiddish/dictionary.cgi has hertsl as dim. of root herts, heart Commented May 6, 2021 at 7:29
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@Nissim Nanach My point was that if OP wanted to give her (now 4-year-old) child a Jewish name that recalls Theodor Hertzl, she could choose a Yiddish name close to Hertzl in sound and meaning. So I'm afraid I don't see what the Yiddish word for the bodily organ has to do with it. To confirm the meanings of the words or names I suggested, you could could try a translation site or dictionary.– ChaimCommented May 6, 2021 at 16:53