Timeline for Definition of Avodah Zarah
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| Feb 17, 2019 at 5:52 | comment | added | Levi | P.s. (Shabat 105b, Sotah 4b, 5a) The Talmud even seems to define certain actions based on negative emotions as Avodah Zarah (for example out of control anger) even though there are no obviously ‘religious’ actions involved, nor does the classic worship something else as G-d applies. | |
| Feb 13, 2019 at 20:58 | comment | added | Levi | @AlBerko yes, you seem to understand what I'm trying to say. P.s. it was Rabbi Baruch Frydman-Kohl who wrote 'that some rabbis suggest... etc.' so I took his word to be true. | |
| Feb 13, 2019 at 20:22 | comment | added | Al Berko | Oh! Do you mean to point to a contradiction between the body of worship and the method of worship? Like if one is worshipping Hashem with a way not mentioned in the Torah it would be considered AZ? | |
| Feb 13, 2019 at 20:17 | comment | added | Al Berko | if you say "*some rabbis suggest *" please quote those Rabbis exactly. I'm not aware of anybody mentioning AZ with Nadav and Avihu. | |
| Feb 13, 2019 at 20:13 | comment | added | Levi | "The Mefarshim explain that Uza replicated the sin of Nadav and Avihu, as he crossed the same forbidden threshold Nadav and Avihu had crossed. The common denominator of the Shitos in what Aveira Nadav and Avihu committed all explain their being makriv an Aish Zara similar to avoda zara- a foreign servitude, saying- I decide on how I want to serve Hashem. This was Uzas sin in his attempt to come close to the Aron Hashem in a way he saw fit, an obvious correlation between the Parsha and Haftara." - passaiccliftonkollel.org/parshas-shemini-2 | |
| Feb 13, 2019 at 20:12 | comment | added | Levi | @AlBerko I don't like the tone in your writing. Mechon mamre translates vayikra 10:2 as strange fire, sefaria as alien fire; I agree it means improper or unseuitable. The point is that some rabbi's suggest that the esh zarah was linked to avodah zarah, foreign or prohibited worship, a type of idolatry. | |
| Feb 13, 2019 at 19:38 | comment | added | Al Berko | You're seemingly wrong, and stop using "strange". Nadav and Avihu lighted "improper" or "unsuitable" fire. There was no trace of idolatry. If you claim it was please bring sources. | |
| Feb 13, 2019 at 19:25 | comment | added | Levi | @AlBerko Most dictionaries define idolatry as the worship fysical objects as god, but avodah zarah seems to apply also to 'strange service', an example of this is the strange fire which the sons of Aharon brought before G-d, their object towards which their service was directed wasn't an idol, but the method of their service is considered avodah zarah. Your answer (below) seems to focus on deities, bodies or objects.. while actions that do not involve any idol are not taken into account. But maybe I misunderstood your recap on the Rambam. | |
| Feb 13, 2019 at 17:56 | answer | added | Al Berko | timeline score: 0 | |
| Feb 13, 2019 at 17:37 | comment | added | Al Berko | I -1ed the question, because it is unclear whether you ask for a definition or try to fit your definition in. Please clarify, b/c I think Rambam is very clear and your "strange" comparison is not. | |
| Feb 13, 2019 at 17:36 | comment | added | Al Berko | Why are you stuck with "strange"? You probably mistake it with contemporary "מוזר" which is "strange". זר is translated as "foreign", "alien", "unsuitable" etc. AZ is foreign to the Jews. There's nothing strange/weird about it. | |
| Feb 13, 2019 at 17:32 | history | edited | Al Berko | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Feb 13, 2019 at 15:55 | answer | added | Meir | timeline score: 2 | |
| Feb 13, 2019 at 14:23 | comment | added | msh210♦ | If that's your question, you should really put it in the question post. It's not there, as far as I can see. | |
| Feb 13, 2019 at 12:45 | comment | added | Levi | @msh210 that’s my question, but thanks for affirming | |
| Feb 13, 2019 at 10:34 | comment | added | msh210♦ | "Avodah Zarah (strange service/worship); The adjective in ‘strange service’ has two senses. One is the strangeness of the object toward which the service/worship is directed": wouldn't that one be avodas zara in the construct? | |
| Feb 13, 2019 at 8:13 | history | edited | Levi | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Feb 12, 2019 at 21:01 | history | edited | msh210♦ | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
remove a completely separate question that can be asked separately if desired (if it's on topic)
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| Feb 12, 2019 at 20:53 | history | asked | Levi | CC BY-SA 4.0 |