Timeline for Is there a Jewish theology equivalent to Calvinism?
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| Aug 26, 2018 at 16:29 | comment | added | David Kenner | @DoubleAA However, the reason it is "no" just might be because there is no mention in the Torah (as you yourself admitted that such could be evidence). I am suggesting the OP would be improved by asking 1) Can you bring proof from Judaism that shows we definitely do not believe tenet "X" 2) I heard that verse "X" in the Torah proves "Calvinist Y", can that be refuted? | |
| Aug 26, 2018 at 16:29 | comment | added | Double AA♦ | @David the trouble with proving a negative can indeed be challenging but that doesn't mean you should change the rules. It's hard to prove a negative for a reason. You'd be surprised how often something you think doesn't exist does. See too judaism.meta.stackexchange.com/q/4559/759 judaism.meta.stackexchange.com/q/4614/759 | |
| Aug 26, 2018 at 16:26 | comment | added | David Kenner | @DoubleAA my comment has nothing to do with "silly". I picked vampire because it seemed relatively safe as an example. Thanks for the werewolf references, interesting. My point is that any question on MY asking if Judaism contains "X" faces the problem of proving a negative. IOW it could be a yes (backed by proof); BUT, if the right answer is "no", then such an answer automatically puts pressure on the one giving the answer, to say they know the entire Torah and have searched it and came up blank. Such q's tend to hang in the air because a simple "no" would get neg rep from some people. | |
| Aug 26, 2018 at 13:09 | comment | added | Double AA♦ | @crm judaism.stackexchange.com/q/5687/759 | |
| Aug 26, 2018 at 13:08 | comment | added | crmdgn | @DoubleAA Do you have a citation for the rishonim writing about werewolves? I am now officially fascinated. | |
| Aug 26, 2018 at 12:59 | comment | added | Double AA♦ | @David you do need something to back it up. Some rishonim write about werewolves. It's totally reasonable to think some believed in vampires. The fact that you find it silly isn't good enough. If your evidence is the Torah doesn't contain the word vampire, that's evidence. I don't find it that conclusive but so be it | |
| Aug 26, 2018 at 12:56 | vote | accept | crmdgn | ||
| Aug 26, 2018 at 12:50 | comment | added | crmdgn | @DavidKenner You just gave me a great idea for a sequel to this book. | |
| Aug 26, 2018 at 8:33 | comment | added | David Kenner | @ezra actually "No" may just be the only answer with nothing to back it up. The OP is asking for the possibility of a universal negative. Sometimes one cannot prove a negative. Example: Does Judaism believe in vampires? Answer: No. The answer is based on the fact that the Torah makes no mention of vampires. It is not the answer's job to find a verse stating" And Moses said: vampires do not exist." So sometimes No is sufficient. | |
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| Aug 26, 2018 at 4:00 | answer | added | Monica Cellio | timeline score: 8 | |
| Aug 26, 2018 at 3:41 | comment | added | ezra | @rosends "No" is an acceptable answer, as long as you're able to back up your claim by bringing purely Jewish sources expressing this opinion. | |
| Aug 26, 2018 at 3:14 | comment | added | David Kenner | You may wish to ask the question differently: examples: 1) Is there a verse or Talmudic passage that says "G-d finds us inherently pleasing?" Is there a verse which proves we always have free choice? 2) A Calvinist showed me this verse: "XXX" and said it means we are all depraved with no hope. What do Jewish sources say it means? Do they agree? Just asking if Jews also agree with Calvinist theology will get you a simple "no" (as you see above) which might not be satisfying. But we might not have any other way to answer the question as it is worded now. Your q may be too broad. | |
| Aug 26, 2018 at 2:35 | comment | added | DonielF | @crmdgn I don’t think anyone in Judaism argues on the concept that it’s up to you whether you’re a righteous person or a wicked one | |
| Aug 26, 2018 at 2:07 | comment | added | crmdgn | @rosends It would be more helpful to elaborate a little: e.g., if there's consensus on these issues within Judaism, what is that consensus? or, if there's a spectrum of opinions, what are the endpoints of the spectrum? And which sources are authoritative on these questions? | |
| Aug 26, 2018 at 2:02 | comment | added | crmdgn | @DonielF As I understand it, yes, but I know that there are several subtypes of Calvinism, of different degrees of stringency. So there might be some variation there. | |
| Aug 26, 2018 at 1:53 | comment | added | rosends | would "no" be an acceptable answer? | |
| Aug 26, 2018 at 1:37 | comment | added | DonielF | Doesn’t Calvinism reject free will? | |
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